MP wants 50 cent banned.

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It's hard to tell who believes what, anymore. IIRC the Toronto mayor said that all people should keep their firearms in a central repository. I think they're just saying whatever the people who vote for them want to hear. These two are both liberals, and basicly both kind of disrespectful to people's gun rights.

Incidentally, if he practiced a more politically correct art form, he could say much more outlandish things and be allowed. And the fact that he is clearly practicing an art form, I guess some people can simply flip a switch in their brain and ignore it.

http://www.canada.com/search/story.html?id=2156e5ea-4fb8-45df-b8cd-08b567729e68

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Canadian Press

Wednesday, November 23, 2005

Curtis 50 Cent Jackson. (AP/Diane Bondareff)

OTTAWA -- Immigration Minister Joe Volpe has been asked by one of his Liberal colleagues to prevent rap artist 50 Cent from coming to Canada.

Born Curtis Jackson in Queen's N.Y., 50 Cent - or "Fiddy" as he's known in rap circles - is scheduled to launch a Canadian tour Dec. 3 in Vancouver. But the rapper promotes gun violence, says Toronto MP Dan McTeague, who wants Volpe to turn back 50 Cent at the border. "I don't think people in Toronto or any urban centre need or want to hear Mr. Jackson's message right now," McTeague said.

The musician performed in Toronto in 2003, where McTeague points out there was a shooting.

"I think it's time we send a message of our own to those who glorify violence that their gratuitous violence and movies are not welcome in our country," McTeague said. "We need to do a better job at protecting Canadians from people whose message runs counter to all of our efforts of trying to curb gun violence."

A spokesman for Volpe was unaware of the letter when contacted late Tuesday.

But the minister would not comment about an individual case anyway, said Steven Heckbert.

"Whether the minister or departmental officials make a decision about intervening or not, it's really not appropriate for us to be talking about it in a public forum," said Heckbert.

The rapper has a criminal record, and would be required to obtain a ministerial permit to enter Canada, although such permits are issued regularly, he added.

"It's permission that's granted typically about 12,000 times a year," said Heckbert. "In many of those cases the minister does not intervene directly. The department has delegated authority to make such decisions.

Some U.S. critics have criticized 50 Cent's music for celebrating guns and drugs, without any emphasis on social or moral consciousness.

Paramount Pictures last month pulled some billboards for the movie Get Rich or Die Tryin' after community activists complained they glorified gun violence in tough areas of south Los Angeles.

The posters featured 50 Cent, the movie's star, holding a gun in his left hand and a microphone in his right.

The singer denounced the move as proof that rappers get a bad rap when it comes to violence.

50 Cent's Canadian tour is also scheduled for performances in Halifax, Saint John, Montreal, Quebec City, Toronto and Ottawa.

It's not known if the musician obtained a special permit to enter Canada in advance of booking his tour dates.

A coalition of African-Canadian organizations met Tuesday with Prime Minister Paul Martin in Ottawa, urging him to adopt a program to curb the escalating gun violence in Toronto.

Four dozen shootings in Toronto this year, out of a total of 70 homicides, involved guns."



http://www.canada.com/search/story.html?id=24429324-0eed-429a-bf98-418582e360e3

"Canadian Press

Wednesday, November 23, 2005

Curtis 50 Cent Jackson. (AP/Diane Bondareff)
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TORONTO (CP) - Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty says he doesn't think gangsta rappers like 50 Cent can be blamed for the deadly gunplay on the streets of Toronto this year.

McGuinty says he "wouldn't want to put too much stock" in 50 Cent's influence and that of other rappers even if they do hold some sway with young people. He says the causes of Toronto's gun violence are much more complex than anything one rapper can influence.

Toronto Liberal MP Dan McTeague wants Ottawa to bar 50 Cent from entering Canada.

McGuinty says that's a federal decision.

Born Curtis Jackson in Queen's, N.Y., the rapper known as Fiddy is scheduled to launch a Canadian tour Dec. 3 in Vancouver.

McTeague complained there was a shooting the last time 50 Cent performed in Toronto in 2003.

He said Tuesday, "It's time to send a message of our own to those who glorify violence that their gratuitous violence and movies are not welcome in our country."

50 Cent has a criminal record, and would need a ministerial permit to enter Canada, although officials say such permits are issued regularly.

He is also scheduled to perform in Halifax, Saint John, Montreal, Quebec City, Toronto and Ottawa.

It was not known if the musician has already obtained a special permit to enter Canada in advance of booking his tour dates.

Four dozen murders in Toronto this year, out of a total of 70, involved guns.
© The Canadian Press 2005"
 
Canadians suffer from what looks like a lack of training in target acquisition and in focus.

They spend billions licencing gun owners, and registering their guns, and seem to forget that the people who use guns in the murders in the streets of their major urban centers are gang members in the drug business.

To seek solutions on that, they are looking to make marijuana legal to possess.

That will make the gang wars that erupt to control a new expanded market even greater.

They will probably react by banning all guns.

Foolish

TIZ
 
TIZReporter said:
Canadians suffer from what looks like a lack of training in target acquisition and in focus.

They spend billions licencing gun owners, and registering their guns, and seem to forget that the people who use guns in the murders in the streets of their major urban centers are gang members in the drug business.

To seek solutions on that, they are looking to make marijuana legal to possess.

That will make the gang wars that erupt to control a new expanded market even greater.

They will probably react by banning all guns.

Foolish

TIZ


I view decriminalization of weed as increasing public freedom, which is almost always a good thing.

Also, provinces have found new method to limit federal power - the act of seperating has been legitimized and legally enshrined, so if the feds do try to ban all guns in Canada, quite a few places will simply vote to leave Canada. It's a good trump card.

And personally, if two people are determined to try and kill each other, I don't see any easy way to stop them, especially not by banning tools of self defence.

Furthermore, the gang violence in Toronto is petty and lacking organization. Montreal suffered violence of a much more capable enemies, biker gangs at war. The Rock Machines, affiliated with the Banditos, was in conflict with the Hell's Angels for quite a while, and they used a lot more than handguns. Except when they were breaking prisoners out of transports.

There are already laws to make membership to criminal organizations illegal, so if they want to stop gang violence (2 groups people consenually fighting each other) they can simply arrest the gangs. Pretty simple. It's also not like the French Underground where finding out who was a member was difficult, gang members are usually pretty darn easy to determine.

Or you could let the 2 people, or groups of people fight. It's pretty natural, to fight. Provide them with a safe environment without bystanders, and let the television rights be sold to cover the costs.

So personally, if you try to ban guns, or music about guns, you're acting against public freedoms, in my opinion.
 
Man politicians are as slick as conola oil, or atleast they think they are!

A shooting occurs while 50 cent is in country and of course it is all the Gangster Rapers lyric's fault, or maybe the Canucks simply absorbed 50's shootem up attitude through osmosis once he crossed the border:rolleyes:.

Damn I don't like some politicians, they place the blame everywhere but on the criminal that PULLS THE TRIGGER:cuss: !!!!!!!!!!
 
Or you could let the 2 people, or groups of people fight. It's pretty natural, to fight. Provide them with a safe environment without bystanders, and let the television rights be sold to cover the costs.
Good gosh, Lucky, if you could patent or copyright this idea you would become a millionaire.

Just imagine - reality TV solves social problems. "Tuesday night at 9 PM - the Rock Machines vs. the Hell's Angels in a team cage fight to the death.. with the last man standing to receive a guest appearance on Court TV."
 
Canadian separation.

There is a renewed threat in Quebec in terms of separation.

However the party just elected a new leader who confirmed that while a cabinet member in a previous separatist government that he snorted cocaine.

Looking on the Internet at other separatist organizations, the Western Standard magazine did a poll, and under 37 percent of westerners surveyed favored separation.

Looking at Separation Alberta, http://www.separationalberta.com/ the site has so few visits that it doesn't register with some of the most common forums.

By contrast, this site apparently has received an estimated 243,000 visits in the past thirty days.

Talk of separation in parts of Canada other than Quebec is small potatos.

TIZ
 
TIZReporter said:
Canadian separation.

There is a renewed threat in Quebec in terms of separation.

However the party just elected a new leader who confirmed that while a cabinet member in a previous separatist government that he snorted cocaine.

Looking on the Internet at other separatist organizations, the Western Standard magazine did a poll, and under 37 percent of westerners surveyed favored separation.

Looking at Separation Alberta, http://www.separationalberta.com/ the site has so few visits that it doesn't register with some of the most common forums.

By contrast, this site apparently has received an estimated 243,000 visits in the past thirty days.

Talk of separation in parts of Canada other than Quebec is small potatos.

TIZ

Without Quebec votes conservatives in western Canada would have a much larger voice in Canadian government wouldn't they? Maybe Albertans who are sick of things as they are would be more effective at change by agitating for Quebec independance?
 
...Toronto MP Dan McTeague, who wants Volpe to turn back 50 Cent at the border. "I don't think people in Toronto or any urban centre need or want to hear Mr. Jackson's message right now," McTeague said.

Translation:

"I'd like to give Mr. Jackson a metric ton of free publicity and make sure that sales of his albums skyrocket as a result of my shameless attempt to further my political career by telling the public (who I consider to be made up of slack-jawed ignoramaces) what sort of entertainment you should be allowed."
 
Four dozen shootings in Toronto this year, out of a total of 70 homicides, involved guns.

So almost 1 out of every 3 homicides in Toronto were committed with something other than a gun.

Looks like they need to ban knives, ropes, lead pipes, wrenches, and candlesticks as well.:rolleyes:
 
No, but they need to keep all those items in a central repository, as the mayor suggested,

And any artistic expression involving those items should be strictly regulated as well.


Someone should point out that there was a band called Guns N Roses, iirc they sung 'Jeany's got a gun'; and the old song 'Frankie and Johnny' was about domestic violence and a murder involving a pistol.

I guess they were encouraging women to kill unfaithful men. It's not like art is a commentary on society, no no society is Eden, until artists start putting violent ideas into our innocent minds.
 
Just imagine - reality TV solves social problems. "Tuesday night at 9 PM - the Rock Machines vs. the Hell's Angels in a team cage fight to the death.. with the last man standing to receive a guest appearance on Court TV."
I almost don't see a problem with that idea.
 
The proper response to lowlifes like 50 Cent is to avoid the shameful sycophancy and PC-ism I have seen on American tv programs. The Best Damn Sportshow and Leno both come to mind. 50 Cent is everyone's pet gangsta of the month. Thuggery is not amusing or fun. Extolling someone who believes in the law of the jungle coarsens society in general. Ban him? No. Deride him? Yes.
 
Yes after they ban Guns the next thing to ban is freedom of speech.

You dont like 50 cent dont go see his show, he wont miss you at all.:)

99.99% of his fans will never commit a crime or use a firearm to harm another person.

Sort of like how 99% of all gun owners never use a gun to harm another person.;)

Why blame the lawabiding for tyhe acts of a few criminals.

BTW I wonder how many shootings took place while the Toronto maple leaves are playing in town????????
 
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