Flow of Guns From U.S. to Canada

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Do Canadians have a problem getting guns domestically?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20051111/lf_afp/canadacrimejustice_051111142926

Toronto gripped by US gun violence Fri Nov 11,10:06 AM ET



Residents of Canada's biggest city are living in fear of increasing gun violence and blame their neighbour, the United States, for exporting their gun culture and weapons north, officials told AFP.

Area police reported hundreds of shootings this year, including 46 homicides. Some 1,782 guns were seized, including a cache of illegal weapons confiscated from a local online retailer this week -- Canada's first such bust that included a bullet-proof baseball cap and a military gas mask.

On Wednesday, as Prime Minster Paul Martin unveiled new initiatives to curb gun violence, three men were shot in the Toronto area, including an 18-year-old student outside his high school, prompting a temporary lockdown of a dozen area schools. One victim died in hospital.

"By and large, Canadians are pacifists. We're not gunslingers. This violence is a real departure for us," said police Superintendent Roy Pilkington of 31 Division, the city's most hardened neighborhood. "It's made a lot of people apprehensive about moving around the city."

The north Toronto district, where the superintended grew up, logged six homicides and 36 injuries in 77 reported shootings since January, including a young girl shot in the head and wounded after gunmen opened fire on a crowded bus. Despite 35 witnesses, the case remains unsolved.

"There is fear of retaliation if they speak to police in some sectors of the community," Pilkington said, blaming mostly gangs, some with international links, fighting over turf and drug sales and using guns imported from the United States, for the violence.

In its August edition, weekly Canadian magazine Maclean's noted that gang murders had tripled since the early 1990s in this country, in contrast to an overall drop in violence. The magazine blamed the rise in part on illegal arms from the neighboring United States.

In the past five years, Canadian authorities seized 5,400 weapons, mostly handguns. According to Maclean's, this represented a mere fraction of the guns that enter Canada from the United States.

"It's totally unacceptable. We don't want that kind of violence in our city," Toronto Mayor David Miller told AFP, echoing local residents who expressed concerns that America's gun culture is creeping north across the Canada-US border.

Last month, Foreign Affairs Minister Pierre Pettigrew pressed US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to take action to stop the flow of guns north into Canada.

Martin said Wednesday that battling the unprecedented wave of deadly shootings in Canada's largest city also means working with disaffected youth.

"We've got to come to grips with the problem of exclusion," he said.

Martin offered to spend 50 million dollars (42 million USD) to combat the sudden epidemic of violent crimes and gangs, as well as other "social investments aimed at reducing crime at its source."

"Violence and gangsterism have no place in our society," he said during a visit to a deprived Toronto neighborhood with the city mayor, blocks from where five police officers were fired upon in August.

Justice Minister Irwin Cotler said Thursday he would table legislation to amend Canada's Criminal Code to raise minimum sentences for crimes committed with a firearm.

This drew mixed reactions. Some even questioned the timing of the government's announcements, noting the worst took place in July and August, but a federal election looms now.

Pilkington said the violence was beginning to slow as winter approached, but he welcomed the latest initiatives.

"I hope it won't get worse before it gets better. Next summer will tell if we've made gains," he said.

"It's not a problem police and politicians can solve alone," he added.
 
Gun "culture?" There's no such thing. The "shooting community" or whatever the hell you'd care to call it is so incredibly diverse that there's nothing that even resembles a "culture." It's yet another buzzword used by the left to scapegoat what it can't and won't comprehend.
In its August edition, weekly Canadian magazine Maclean's noted that gang murders had tripled since the early 1990s in this country, in contrast to an overall drop in violence. The magazine blamed the rise in part on illegal arms from the neighboring United States.
Yes, because everyone knows that guns are what cause gangs to be violent against one another.
 
Moreover, even the term "gun culture" generally refers to collectors, target shooters, plinkers, trap fanatics, etc. It's never meant "gang culture", especially given that most people who identify with the so-called "gun culture" on any level would be perfectly content to shoot any gangbanger who threatened them or their families.
 
"It's totally unacceptable. We don't want that kind of violence in our city,"

If Canada doesn't want US products to cross into Canada, they can secure their borders. They are supposedly big boys, protecting themselves should be easy. Quit whinning about the bad old US of A and their "gun culture". Ain't our problem if you can't handle smuggling into your country.
 
Because we all no that NO guns ever get smuggled into areas in the bottom of crates in rusty freighters sailing in from third-world nations, right?

It's got to be the US, right?

Also:

"By and large, Canadians are pacifists. We're not gunslingers. This violence is a real departure for us," said police Superintendent Roy Pilkington of 31 Division, the city's most hardened neighborhood. "It's made a lot of people apprehensive about moving around the city."

People just don't study history, do they. Sure, go ahead and be a pacifist..do you think for one moment that's going to deter some barbaric enemy that is NOT, that wants what you have?
 
How can this be ? Canada has STRICT GUN CONTROL REGS AND
CONFISCATION !
Crime goes down with extreme gun control not
up, doesn't it ? I mean come on, just look at Chi town, NY, D.C and
soon San Francisco. They have or will have strict gun control laws and
crime has stopped at these places, hasn't it....:rolleyes: :( :banghead:
 
Ah, the Gerbil syndrome spreads....

Did you ever have gerbils/mice, hamsters as a kid? Notice that when the numbers of animals in the cage got so big, they'd start killling each other?

Looks like the same thing happening in various places in the world.
 
Bullet proof ball cap and a gas mask. Now there are some dangerous items for gang members to have. Heck I haven't even seen gang members in my city with items like that!!:eek:
 
Look, in Britain first, but also here and in Canada, "gun crime" has become a diversionary phrase used by politicians who don't want to state the obvious: there is a very serious problem in some of our cities.

It is tied to ethnic ghettoes, poverty, a "victim" culture, I don't know what all else.

Even Michael Moore admits that, if you take out that violent crime, the overall levels are very low -- like Canada's, he says. Homogeneous middle-class Canada, which is fast becoming a lot more like the American melting pot. Along with that, it is starting to see some of our problems, too. It was easy for them to criticize America until they, too, find themselves with a violent urban underclass. So now they blame us for "gun crime."

Do I know the solution? Not in the short term. In the long term, it would be a culture of personal responsibility. But in the short term, the current generations of people are already here and somewhat set in their violent ways.

The bottom line, though, is that middle-class suburbanites (and people in the cities and country) don't shoot each other in large numbers, in Canada or the US. The occasional nutcase who kills someone - with a gun or some other weapon - still makes the news in the 'burbs. In the ghetto, even a school shooting goes without mention in the papers. That says that such things are ordinary.

The problem has to do with something in our culture, but has nothing to do with "gun culture".
 
I'm totally in the dark on Canadian gun laws. I guess I just don't pay attention. What's the deal up there, in a nutshell, if someone will explain? I didn't have any idea that they had confiscatory laws or anything of that sort. Heck, they import Norincos.
 
Tell them we'll take back our guns if they take back their pacifists :) :neener:

In fact I would like to invite the Canadian Prime Minister to send all guns suspected of US origin to me. I'll take them off of his hands and won't even charge him for them...
 
Lets get real on the gun deaths up here. Last year there exactly 118 in the whole damm country! The drug dealers accounted for most of the deaths (I would buy their ammo if they promised only to shoot each other.) The Liberals claim that 50% of gun crime in Toronto (the Centre of the Universe - choke, puke) occurs with guns smuggled in to the country from the US. The other 50% seem to be Canadian owned guns, all duly registered of course - choke, puke!

What the Liberals aren't ever about to do up here is admit the $2 Billion they blew on the gun registry and the $40 million a year it costs to maintain it is a waste of money.

Aside from publicity stunts the gun laws are not agressively enforced up here anyway. The RCMP have a few other problems on their plate other than harassing their nighbours over whether or not you have your gun locks on.

We are no different than the US we have idiots for politicians operating on the singular goal of getting re=elected. Not of course with your President. He can screw up all he wants in his 2nd term - cuzz it doens't matter he can't run again anyway.
 
Canadians are pacificists? So, these are non-Canadians in these gangs doing the shooting?
 
Dear Prime Minister Martin:

Kindly redirect the flow of guns to my house. Once the guns are trapped in my basement armory, guns they no longer seek a life of crime and mayhem toward women, minorities and Frenchmen in sandals who do not shave and bathe.

My gun safes are "gun prisons" keeping those eeevil guns in their place--my house. Do it for the children.

Send the guns immediately to Alcazar del Tejon, Lafayette, Indiana. I thank you in advance for your cooperation.

Very truly yours,

El Tejon, gunslinging American
 
Mostly Jamaican Gangs in Toronto and Vietnamese/Indo-Canadians in Vancouver. Like I said I would re-load for them for free.

Stay Safe
 
Seems like the canadians should be beefing up their border patrol. Maybe a fence. Or maybe a few laws are needed. Always somebody else's fault. Hey, maybe our minutemen could help them out. Keep an eye out for anyone slipping over the border with guns.
F*** them. I went to canada once, with my brother in his pickup camper. Border guards asked us if we owned guns. I said, "Yes, several, I am a reserve police officer." They asked if we had any with us. I said no. They then told us to drive to the side where they tossed my brother's truck and camper thoroughly. I guess the right answer is "NO, I don't own any guns, I am a liberal mushhead weenie. I agree with the wonderful laws you have here."
 
The last time I was in Canada the border guard lady asked me if I had any firearms in my vehicle. I told her "yes", she asked, "handguns?", I said "no, shotgun" she asked if it was a sawed of shotgun, I told her no. She then said, "Welcome to Canada, enjoy your stay!". Of course that was in 1977 at Sault Ste. Marie. Less paranoia & tenseness then.
Gene :)
 
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