MRDS VS POINT SHOOTING?

[Matthew Temkin]

PS—-you don’t need a red dot to be target focused.
Nor for speed and accuracy.

 

[CDW4ME]

Chart I posted in reply #25 page 1

Percentage of shots missed:
Iron sights-41%
Red dot-27%

Percentage of hits in critical zone:
Iron sights - 28%
Red dot - 70%

That ^ is useful data.

About speed up close with a dot:

 

[Kevin Rohrer]

I have had a lot of school training on the RDS and will say it has its uses:

*If you have trouble qualifying, it will improve your score.
*If you are shooting at a man size target beyond 25-yards, will it will improve your shooting.
*It works well after dark.
*Older eyes like RDS over iron sights

Concerns:
*It will not improve your shooting at social distances when shooting at man-size targets, but gamesmen will like them (IDPA, etc).
*Batteries die when you don't want them to.
*The unit will quit working when you need it to work.

 

[Matthew Temkin]

The first point listed in your concerns is the deal breaker for me.

 

[Peakbagger46]

Patrol cop required to carry an issued reflex sight here. I’ve been a “point shooter” (actually subconscious index shooting) for over a decade. The window of the Trijicon has really put a damper on that. EXTENSIVE dry/live fire training has helped some, but I still find myself playing “where’s Waldo” a lot trying to find the dot.

Is the dot more accurate at distance/limited exposure shots? Absolutely.

From a field standpoint I’d estimate I’ve seen the dot above half the time when actually pointing my gun at suspects.

Probably a lot of my issues are due to all my time with irons. Tough in some ways to train through honestly and nothing like adding optics to a patrol rifle (which was an easy transition).

 

[Kevin Rohrer]

Peak,

Goto the 2-day, Modern Samurai Project RDS training, and all your concerns will be addressed. My shooting improved dramatically after attending, whether I use irons or the RDS. But signup early as his courses fill-up really quick.

 

[Matthew Temkin]

Peak,

Goto the 2-day, Modern Samurai Project RDS training, and all your concerns will be addressed. My shooting improved dramatically after attending, whether I use irons or the RDS. But signup early as his courses fill-up really quick.

Good advice—especially if required to carry a red dot pistol professionally

 

[Bcwitt]

Self defense is arms length & less. I cannot imagine sight alignment @ that distance. If you are unable to point shoot @ 6 feet, all the weapons & accessorys in world are not going to help.

 

[entropy]

It is, until it isn't.

 

[Matthew Temkin]

It is in the vast majority of cases.
Longer distances are rare and usually avoidable.
The current,”We are all first responders” is fraught with peril for the civilian gun owner.

 

[d2wing]

I was taught in the Army back in 60's on quick kill or what you might call point shooting, or instinctive shooting. It is true that your eyes, brain and body can work together to aim your firearm without sights. It requires training and practice. Lots. It can be more accurate than you think at close range. Being farsighted red dot sights work better than irons for me and I use them on my slug gun. The matches I have been in are iron sights only so I don't have them on my pistol, but I agree that they would help in most circumstances. I don't use the quick kill at all anymore as it has serious safety issues. I shot a grouse once before I even was aware of that I saw it. I was in a group and my friends were amazed. I was frighted in that I had not identified the target before I shot. So, I retrained myself to not do it, shoot by reaction. One should always identify the target.

 

[Phaedrus/69]

I recently picked up a Holosun EPS and am excited to start training with it. Unfortunately my collection is composed of "legacy" firearms, all dating back to well before RDS were around and some even before WMLs were around. So I am working on getting a slide or two to a machinist that can do the work. My experience though shooting other folk's RDS-equipped sidearms is that they are the way of the future, and will soon be considered basic standard equipment.