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Muzzleloader blowup. Caution, don't open if your squeamish.

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by Pulp, Nov 1, 2012.

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  1. velojym

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    Cosmo, that first part was right along my line of thought there. The difference between an inliner and a traditional sidelock guy is frequently that the latter loves the hardware, and goes a lot further with his knowledge and experience. Inlines are popular with many centerfire guys who only really care about stretching deer season a bit. That ain't universal, but I can easily see it being a factor in the disparity.
     
  2. frontiergander

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    i dont care much for centerfires, in fact my newest center fire is a 1953 m44 mosin nagant. I love muzzleloading so i use both, mostly inline because they are a lot more comfortable to shoot and can use a wider variety of projectiles.
     
  3. alsaqr

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    i know a numerous muzzleloader shooters and hunters in OK. Called about 15 of them, including two in SE Oklahoma. No one ever heard of this incident.

    A few years ago an OK resident with long military experience but unfamiliar with muzzleloaders blew up a gun. He loaded his new gun with a large volume charge of smokeless powder. The shooter was seriously injured. An acquaintance witnessed the incident.
     
  4. Pulp

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    Again, I do not know the guy. I know his name, and the town he lives in, but I'm not posting personal information on this forum. Several people I work with do know him. Both photographs were posted on my friends facebook pages. And again, the story that was told to the newspaper does not add up to what could have caused such a severe gun failure.

    Personally, I can't see this happening with anything but smokeless powder. But I don't know the whole story, so I'm not claiming that's what happened. I've heard of, but not seen, stories of three 777 pellets blowing up inlines that were not rated for such heavy loads, so I won't discount the possibility that he just overloaded the gun, and didn't fully seat a bullet. But again, that's not what the newspaper story said.

    I'm not going to be an armchair quarterback and make expert statements on something I don't know the whole story about.

    A bit non-related, but many years ago I read an article in Guns and Ammo about attempting to blow up a T/C Hawken by overloading it. They mounted the barrel to a remote firing system and gradually began overloading it. After each shot they would measure the barrel for swelling. My memory is fuzzy, but I'm thinking they got up to 300 grains of BP and 7 Maxi-Balls with no damage. They finally put a double charge under a Maxi-Ball, then pushed another Maxi-Ball half way into the barrel. That destroyed the barrel.

    Does anyone remember the MythBusters eipisode where they tried to recreate the "banana barrel" myth? They ended up welding a plug into the muzzle of a rifle, I wanna say it was a .303 British, but not sure, before they could even split the barrel. They never got a blowup like the picture I posted of the muzzle loader.
     
  5. Cosmoline

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    Thanks for that additional info.
     
  6. andrewstorm

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    wow,spanish unproofed ?

    Naw,barrel obstruction....loaded,and he thought the nipple was cloged stuffed a patch and primer .......kabooooooooomyeowwwwwwoouch..........this almost happened to me cept god sent me a bad feelin ,so I double checked my ramrod mark,whew..............
     
  7. Busyhands94

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    Pulp, I saw that one where they plugged the barrel of a shotgun with a ballistics gel finger, and various objects. They tested the steel plug welded into the barrel with a .30-06 IIRC. I am pretty sure it was an aught six.

    The only thing I can think of that would possibly have caused this is either a bullet that wasn't on the powder, or a load fully seated and perhaps a couple more pellets and a bullet in the middle of the barrel. Or perhaps even just a bullet halfway down the pipe. Guns don't generally explode like this. I mean, with modern barrel steels you've got a pretty strong weapon.

    That being said, all the inline barrels I've seen have been thin like on a shotgun. I mean really, the barrel on my Traditions Frontier rifle is much thicker than the ones I have seen.
    And as stated before, these are copies of guns made during a time period where barrel steel wasn't at it's best. Of course my rifle has modern steel. Probably could take more than an inline. But we're talkin' charges that would sooner break your shoulder than rupture the barrel.
     
  8. andrewstorm

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    Thick barrels dont mean nada levi,steel psi strength,structural integrity,previous owner abuse,all come into play,boom and boom she goes,and when she blows nobody knows,most likley human error on this gun although ive heard spanish guns are not proofed,my friend has a wolf (cva)that looks as though it has a buldge in the barrel but a projectile fits equally throughout the bore so its just bad machine work,some guys have all their guns x rayed before firing and its not a bad idea.
     
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    Held on to it too long after he pulled the pin...
     
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