My 1st AR15; What to add?

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jame

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I just recieved my first AR type rifle, a Bushmaster AK Shorty in 5.56. It was slightly used, and I got it on a trade. After just 20 rounds off my back deck, I now know why so many of you guys like 'em so much. I think this one has a permanent home.

My question-
In typical "guy" fashion, as soon as I was done shooting, I opened up a Midway USA Master catalog to see what I should bolt on to it first.

I didn't find anything I wanted. Nothing. Except for (possibly) some optics of some kind, a case, and lots of ammo, I don't know if I can improve it for my acreage/farm application. With all of the "stuff" out there, am I missing anything?
 
Cleaning stuff. A quality one-piece .22 caliber rod (I use a ProShot SS) an AR brush, an AR chamber brush and instructions on how to properly use them.

A sling and believe me there must be a couple of hundred styles to choose from!

A bipod, I use a Harris LMS.

More mags! An AR owner simply can NOT have to many 30 round mags, get a couple of 20s too, you’ll need them for shooting off of the bench.

If you haven’t already, go to AR15.com. They’ll be down this weekend but will be back up the evening of 18 April. AR15 is THE place to go to get info on your new blaster, try the “exchange†section and you’ll find all the goodies to buy that your wallet will allow!

Congratulations on your new toy! It’s said that ARs are habit forming but I know I can quit any time I want…

Ed
 
If it isn't listed on this website, it isn't worth having on a defensive carbine. Formal match shooting is another matter entirely.

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Deep six the too slim pistol grip handle, and get something that fills your hand. I'm partial to the First Samco G27 myself.

Get the optics of your choice, I use a holosight

Finally, consider whether a white light makes sense or not, I'm still dithering on that one.
 
Definitely add more mags to your collection! Go surf around AR15.com and you'll find tactical accessories beyond your wildest imagination.
 
I say keep it simple until you've figured out what you're going to do with it. Ammo and mags are excellent suggestions.

The FIRST thing I do to a new AR15 is replace the grip. If you prefer a slimmer grip (like the one that's on it) then get a Hogue. If you prefer fatter grips like Glocks and HK's, then I personally use the Falcon Ergo Grip ("SureGrip" rubber model), but there are others like the Fobus.

AFTER you've decided what to do with it, then you can figure out what kind of optics, lights, lasers, doodads, trinkets etc. you might need. But get to know it and what you're going to use it for BEFORE you spend all that cash.
 
I already know what it's for. It's a ranch rifle, plain and simple. I gotta be honest, it's not that I had a hard time finding stuff to bolt onto or into it. I just had a hard time seeing any real value in any of it, for my application.

Now that I see some of your ideas, here's my tak, so far:

1. LOTS of practice ammo. (almost unspoken, really. That should go with any gun)
2. More mags.
3. I see what you mean about the skinny grip. I have Hogues on my Sig. Are they pretty much the same?
4. A lightly magnified optic, of some kind. Crows and stationary 'yotes are a little distant for my middle aged eyes.

How am I doing?
 
Three things only, aside from mags (20s! Doesn't anyone go prone anymore!) and ammo. And time to practice. And maybe formal training.

Learn to live with the standard grip for now, but get this to fill the annoying (and bleeding-finger inducing) hole in the front of the grip. Or be cheap and put a foam earplug in there.
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A good carry strap. Sling is debatable with a non-floated gun, so just a carry strap. Leaves your hands free without just dropping the gun in the dirt.

And an accu-wedge. Without a doubt. You must all get one. Prevents wobble between the upper and lower. And it does nothing else, unlike a buffer which could mess with the action.
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Doubt me. Here's a Fulton Armory FAQ on why everyone should drop $5 on the accu wedge.
 
Q-tips
Pipe Cleaners
A spare toothbrush
Patience
Lots of ammo
Magazines out your behind.


Shoot the friggen crap out of the thing. Get used to it in stock form. ID the things you DO NOT LIKE and then fix them.

Personally, since I have the hands of a 12 year old Japanese schoolgirl I don't mind the skinny pistol grip. YMMV.

It's a shorty, so a scope seems silly. The holosight like GeekWithA45 suggested might not be a horribly bad idea, but I'd learn the irons first.

The shorty was meant to engage targets less than 100 yards IMHO. If you can whack a 12" target out to 100 yard with it on irons you're good to go. If not, well, maybe you need some optics. Considering it's a CQB weapon a light on it seems quite reasonable.

I have no real practical reason for my AR-16 (BM Dissaptor) really -- but it is a fun gun to take to the range, especially with new shooters! You hand them an Evil Black Rifle that they can have fun shooting and won't break your bank account while they do it. Handing it to a 12 year old curious kid at the range with a 10 round magazine for fun will leave him with a lasting impression. That's my only practical value really. Again, YMMV.
 
Mags and ammo---------accu-wedge is only usefull for some AR's----I have a Rock River that has a dead solid lock up---in that one-- an acce wedge would be useless.
 
Not for nothing but dosent the acu-wedge put force on the take down pin any way because its pushing up on the upper so there is upward strain on the take down pin?Basicaly its pushing the upper away from the lower and the pin is the only thing holding it there,so force in that area is there weather you install one or not.
 
Magazines and ammo! And maybe a low-magnification optic if you insist. Maybe an adjustable trigger later. That's really it.

The Accuwedge is not a requirement for an accurate AR. My Armalite DCM rifle wobbles when assembled and last night I was keeping the majority of my rounds inside of 5" at 300 yards from prone in practice. It doesn't cost alot, so go for it if it makes you feel better, but it's not necessary.
 
I think the buy a bunch of ammo and shoot it method is the best. Once you get in your mind a couple of "I like this but it sure would be nice IF" type of thoughts, surf the boards and see if you can find something to tweak it more to your personal needs.

Also, I like the idea of a low magnification scope or optic - particularly on a shorty. You are already losing some iron sight accuracy due to the short sight radius of the carbine, an optic negates the short sight radius.

As for the Hogues they have a more positive feel than the M16 grip. They are more grippy and more comfortable in general. There are about a million different grips available for the AR and that is mostly a matter of personal taste. If you like a larger more hand-filling grip, the Sierra Precision grip and the Fobus G27 are two of the larger grips. The Ergos are kind of in the middle and Hogue is just slightly larger than the A2 grip; but hardly enough to notice.
 
add ammo to magazine, load into rifle and empty magazine,

rinse, repeat many times before adding 8 million doodads to your AR like alot of us have ;)
 
All you really need is a butt load of ammo, some good GI mags, and a comfortable grip. Forget all the add on crap until you know how to shoot the rifle.
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One of the beautiful things about the AR15 family of rifles and carbines is the accessories. Most gun owners like accessories and I am no exception. I own a whole pile of AR15s and most of them have something aftermarket on them. I buy the good stuff. I don't buy anything because it is cheap or ALMOST as good as ________ . Obviously this means I often have to save up for something, or work overtime, or wait until I get a windfall, but I would rather have the best stuff made than waste my money on inferior stuff.
That being said, most of the stuff mentioned is stuff I have never bought. All 13 of my AR15s have the stock pistol grip. I tried the "gapper" and didn't think it was worthwhile. The only time I ever got a hot spot on my middle finger is when I have taken a formal class and was firing in excess of 2000 rounds a week. During my normal shooting/training it isn't an issue. I do use the accuwedge in all my guns. It does nothing to make the gun more accurate. It just gives it a more solid feel. AR15s get loose with use. This doesn't effect their performance at all, but it gives them a weird feel that I don't like; so, I use the accuwedge. All my short AR15s have a single point sling made the The Wilderness with a Daniel Defense mounting plate. The Danial Defense mounting plate is angled down so you don't catch your fingernail on it when you are running the bolt. A couple have Knight's Armament Corp. RAS IIs on them (rail adapter system that is also freefloating). This allows me to use my Surefire 900 series weaponslight on any one of them and switch between them in seconds. For optics I use ARMs mounts. I have one AR with an Aimpoint ML2 on it, another with a Trijicon ACOG TA31F on it, one has a fixed 10X scope on it; all use ARMs mounts. One has an AO night sight on the front and a "same plane" rear sight on it. In my opinion, all these accessories are the best available, and are all well proven items. They have proven their value to me.
My two 20" guns are basically stock. I do have a Turner sling on my 20" Bushmaster and that is it. My 20" Colt SP1 is bone stock.
Following the advice of a lot of people that know what they are talking about, I stay away from aftermarket triggers other than the one I have on my 24" scoped "varmint" AR. On the short ARs I feel a short stock is madatory: no longer than an A1 stock and preferably shorter. Something along the line of 8" - 10" LOP. I really like the Sully stock but it doesn't allow me to use The Wilderness single point sling, so I use a standard A1 stock. All my shorties with fixed stocks have the A2 stocks replaced with A1 stocks. I like the PRI "Gas Buster" charging handles. On my flat tops I use an ARMs #40 back up rear sight.
One accessory that no AR15 owner should be without is the LULA magazine loader.
 
If the AWB goes away, I have plans for a stock shorty with a folding stock and the only thing that I plan to add is a holosight with perhaps a 2x magnification. The iron sights are okay, but target aquisition is faster with the holosights.
 
Another vote for shooting LOTS of ammo.

This will allow you to develop YOUR wants, based off of YOUR requirements and particular shooting environment.


Chris
 
Personally, I don't find buying accessories and shooting to be mutually exclusive. If all I had was $50, then I would spend the $50 on ammo and shoot. But most of us can afford to shoot AND buy a few accessories. I also think that trying accessories on your gun is what tells you if they are worthwhile or not. Simply shooting the gun by itself isn't going to tell you whether accessory "X" works for you or not unless you have accessory "X" on the gun at the time.
I realize the point many are trying to make however. Become good with the gun as it is and don't worry about aftermarket stuff. There is certainly nothing wrong with that, but again, most gun owners enjoy the accessories and they add to the owners enjoyment of the gun.
If you really wanted to find out what accessories are good and which ones are bad, or which accessories you need and which ones you don't, or which accessories make the gun easier to handle, or which accessories increase you performance................... enroll in a five day carbine course taught by an instructor that knows what he is doing. At the end of the course you will have a pretty good idea. The instructor will tell you what works based on seeing pretty much everything ever made come through his classes. You will see what the other students are using and will see them fail, or you will immediately see the need for it.
Personally, I recommed taking Gunsite course #223.
 
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