My biennial plea for a reputable cap/ball revolver 'smith

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Thank you... where do you recommend I look for parts? I don't even know who made these. The only marks that I can find apart from the replica colt markings is a GM on each of the cylinders. I assume that means they were all made by the same company. Pietta or Uberti or EMF or whatever it was back in the 70's.

Voodoochile, they're (I presume) Italian replicas... if they were originals I'd be retired now. LOL :D

They appear to have been "antiqued" by the factory. There are some random dings/marks applied in places where there wouldn't be dings from regular use, for example. I like the finish, though... they do look old. I have a buttstock for the Dragoon, also.
 
1K I am as ok as i ever get.

Last year i fixed a 1858 colt clone for someone here, but he seems to no longer post, and I firget what his user name was.

His bolt spring was broken and the cam on the hammer was worn round, so the bolt slipped off too early. He supplies spare parts, I think he got from Dixie Gun Works.

I am not sure what to tell you, as I don't know all the makes well enough. I just fix this sort of stuff on rare occasions.

This fixing creates a lot of study time, and asking Old Fuff many questions.. So I can't say it is 2nd nature for me, and certainly isn't done fast.

That 58' had a bad hand too. I had to make a special shim and fit that to the hammer to fill in the worn out hole for the hand peg.

I had that gun here atleast 90 days.

Voodoochile's words make sence to me.

If you can find no better service I am willing to try, but i think you would be better off with a real expert.
 
Appreciate the offer, Mac... I've had a couple of knowledgeable guys PM me with links and offers to help; I haven't heard back from any of the professional cap/ball shops yet but I may.

I'd certainly like to be able to fix them myself; I'm pretty good with my hands but have never gotten into the guts of a revolver yet. I guess if I screw them up more it's no big deal; I can't use them as is anyway. LOL

I sure would like to know who made these if anyone could tell me, though. I suppose the chances of getting parts that would fit from the same maker would be a bit higher that way.
 
If I can take this apart and put it back together, you can do it with your Colts. And I didn't have any "extra" parts when I was done.
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Take the guns apart a piece at a time, document everything, take pics and notes, and I really think you'll see how easy it is, and how much fun it can be.
Plus, if you plan to shoot them, someday you'll be at the range and something will jam and you'll either drive home with a loaded cylinder, or you'll fix it at the range.
The problem with your guns seems to be in the hand and spring, or the bolt and spring.
VTI is a good place to buy parts.
 
Check your hand and spring.You can order them from VTI gunparts if you need to. They are acting like the spring is weak,or broken...or maybe just packed with grease.
 
I took my time and took lots of pics as I went along. There are no schematics for that gun, though I did find a patent. The funny thing is, it's actually easier (at least as easy) to put together than a Colt.
I emailed David Chicoine for help with one part and he got back to me within a day.
 
I know I lost some brain cells when I reassembled my Paterson the first time. The Uberti and Pietta schematics didn't help much. I found an original patent which did help, that and calling Smokin' Gun on the other side of the country (I got the gun from him). But, I got it all back together and now it's one of my favorites.
 
1K, I have never held a Paterson, or a Walker.. That 3rd Model might be like a 1858 or a 1860, which I do know about. So if you need any How To to take that apart I might be able to help.

If all fails, and you wish, I will do what ever it takes.. I don't need to have seen one of anything before to take it apart and fix it. I just need it and my grubby mitts and I can fix anything another man made, except wrist watches, computers and broken hearts.
 
Thank you... where do you recommend I look for parts? I don't even know who made these. The only marks that I can find apart from the replica colt markings is a GM on each of the cylinders. I assume that means they were all made by the same company. Pietta or Uberti or EMF or whatever it was back in the 70's.

It may not even matter what outfit made your revolvers since some parts may need to be hand fitted and many are interchangable.
Searching in several data bases is inconclusive yet interesting in that there are multiple possibilities. But because there's little backgroud information except for the letters "GM", speculation is as good as it gets. But it's still fun to ponder.

The letters "GM" by itself correlates to a German maker of rifles and shotguns which the data base only states not to confuse with General Motors. It doesn't mean that they didn't make BP revolvers, but there are no records to trace as with any of the pistol smiths mentioned.

In another data base of all modern Italian pistol smiths, sometimes the letters correlate to the initials of known names or outfits. And there's several gunsmiths that have GM as their initials. But we don't know what they made or marked on their guns. One such example is what the NCIC data base lists as GMB, GambaMFd. by LaAmeria Fratelli Gamba, which there were Gamba Italian pistol smiths back in the 1970's. Among the Gamba families were pistol smiths Renato Gamba, Giovanni Gamba, Guiseppi Gamba, Marchio G. Gamba, and even a Battista Gamba.

Among other Italian pistol smiths were Guerrino Massoni, Giovanni Maggi, Giulio Mori. That is if the names aren't backward which sometimes also seems plausible.

And there's also a Spanish outfit named Garate y Mendiba cross referenced to GYM in the "Codes from the National Crime and Information Center (NCIC) 2000 standard".

So these are all dead end leads to the possibilities of who made
the revolver, or none of the above. The purpose is not to confuse but rather to just wonder about the possible origin of these older guns. :)
 
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Thanks for the info... perhaps I'll never know the truth. I hope they're safe to fire or I'll be wasting my time and money getting them running.

I remember shooting the dragoon with my dad at least 25 years ago... as I've said several times, my ears are still ringing. :D
 
Well as I said as a last resort, even if you end up taking these apart I can put them back together.

I have done that before with several guns i didn't take aprt myself, that were taken apart by their owners mostly and on semi auto Winchester taken apart for blueing, but that smith blew town leaving the parts in 2 boxes with parts of other guns in the same boxes.

I just don't know the details of any, but the Patterson is likely the most difficult of all. That folding trigger probably makes it so, but it can't be all that hard to figure out.

The 3rd modle is where to start if you do. At least I think so. It is likely to be closer in design to the 1858 and the 1860.

With that digested the Walker would be my next choice, leaving that Patterson for last.

Me: I wouldn't care if all of them were taken apart and all the pieces were dumped in one box. I could still put them all back together again.

If any parts are needed I could make them all work. It is either a matter of study, which it would be for me, or knowing what you are doing, which i don't but I could.

Either way you can have these working again.

That 3rd Modle and anyone is fee to tell me where I go wrong, should have 2 screws just below the hammer, and one more in the bottom of the grip frame to release the wooden grips.

Safe to pull that.

The next screw is the lower end of the main spring, loosen it a lot, but then slip the main spring out of the hammer and look where it notches into the hammer before you pull it out all the way. Then pull it out.

With a egg carton place the pairs of screws in one holder and the singles each in their own holder.

Next move on to the trigger guard frame. 2 screws at the rear and one up front. The 2 rear screws are longer, so they go in another holder and the sole shorter screw goes in it's own. Pull off the trigger guard.

You will see the sear spring, and one screw that holds it. For kicks and grins see if it has become loose, which it may and there by thrown timing off. If it is tight, operate the hammer by hand with in it limits, and watch the bolt move up and down, and how the two legs work on the hammer cam, and work to engage the sear.

Then it is safe to pull this spring retainer screw and the spring, which both go in another holder.

There are 2 screws similar holding the sear, the other holding the trigger, but similar is rough, so remove one screw and the part and keep them together, then the other.

That would be sear first, trigger last to come apart.

The last screw is the hammer screw still on the left frame. Take it out and slip out the hammer over a white pillow case, so if you drop the cylinder hand you don't loose it.

The hammer and hand drop out from the bottom of the frame, and that's it.

The install is the reverse order.

Now I am not really suggesting you do this, but if you wanted to and got into a problem I can't talk you out of I can still put the gun back together.

learning that tech, if it were me I would move on to the Walker, then the Patterson, as the tech is all similar.

Like you I wouldn't know which parts to get, and they can and do varry between makers.

The bolt screw and trigger screws are slightly different and probably once were the very same screws, but hand work may change them. That hand work from the factory.

The rest is study even for a guy who knows what he is doing, that and fitting the parts correctly.
 
Colt made and sold the Paterson (one T), then he went bankrupt. When he was asked by Walker to make a revolver, he put an ad in the paper for a Paterson (he had none left), which he never got. My point is that he made the Walker without the aid of a Paterson to go by, so there really is no comparison between the two. The folding trigger is about the easiest part of the Paterson to put back. There are a few parts in the Paterson that can go in more than one way, and they all look correct, but there is only one right way to do it.
I'd stay away from the Paterson until you're more than comfortable with the other Colts. I think it has 17 more parts than the Walker.
 
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