I do, and have for quite a while.Does anyone else have a concern with how the gun is pointed when in one of these holsters?
FWIW, I've recently heard Tom Gresham bring up the same question.
I do, and have for quite a while.Does anyone else have a concern with how the gun is pointed when in one of these holsters?
we are conditioned to think 'don't point the gun at anything you aren't willing to shoot' but we fixate on the muzzle rather than the human hand.
Being in a shoulder holster untouched by human hands is no different than the gun being in a gun case. If some guy stands behind you with say a pistol in a factory gun case (plastic box) the gun muzzle probably IS pointing right at you, and a thin bit of plastic isn't going to stop the bullet. It's equally risky...but I bet you don't think twice about that.
Exactly ^^^^^^^^^^
And for those who think that a draw from shoulder carry (whether horizontal or vertical) absolutely involves sweeping the entire free world. PLEASE read the link below and stop parroting what you have heard from others. And if you don't know to correctly draw (and re-holster) from a shoulder rig....for Pete's sake LEARN!
http://texaschlforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=31470&hilit=shoulder+holster+solutions
As for all other methods of 'carry', take an honest look at what you cover (yourself and others) everyday. Particularly upon a draw or re-holster.
Again, IF the weapon is NOT being handled....there is no problem.
FWIW, slowr1der, having Gunslinger Bob's pistol pointed at my face would have bothered me, too.
Same here. While this admitedly isn't a big deal, and i wouldn't have run screaming for the exits,dialing 911, I probably wouldn't have been able to resist the urge to take a step to one side,either.
Also, while that guy's pistol was pointing directly at you, had something happened that caused the guy to grab and pull his pistol, it's not a strectch to envison his finger on the trigger, and him having an AD as it was being pulled and still oriented towards the OP.
ND's during drawing (and holstering) definitely happen. Having the gun pointed horizontally to the rear for holstering and re-holstering is obviously not a good idea.
I will keep this short, since you really want to focus on the muzzle issue. But this much hardware on the outside and with what you hint is an attitude from this guy, I would be wary of the guy regarding his mental state. People can carry and be ready for problems without walking around looking like Rambo.
He probably scared a bunch of people who now think worse than before about "gun nuts". Right or wrong, I suspect most people look at someone like that and think he is either nuts or an adolescent who has to show off his manhood and enjoys the "attention" he gets.
ND's during drawing (and holstering) definitely happen. Having the gun pointed horizontally to the rear for holstering and re-holstering is obviously not a good idea.
That link shows:
-Carrier holding pistol in hand while it is pointed 180* behind him
-Carrier holding pistol in extremely weak position with wrist bent at a 90 degree angle
-Carrier sweeping anybody that would be to his left as he draws
These are are disadvantages that are avoidable by using a belt holster.
The pistol in hand while pointed 180* behind is kind of a big deal when it comes to safe direction.
Warp wrote:
So 'obviously' (or maybe not) you DON'T do that.
IF there is no safe direction to turn for a holster/re-holster then you simply grasp the holster...point it down (or other safe direction) and proceed. Simple.
OR...if time/circumstance does not allow for that, tuck the weapon in your waistband until it IS safe to do so. Again common sense...is the obvious answer.
But its much easier I suppose to disparage a mode of carry than to consider simple solutions.
Me thinks someone did not actually read the entire post?
Your every point (mine actually) were addressed.
The gun I understand, the knives and the extended magazine are a concern. Why carry all that extra "bling"? My question would be "is this guy a macho attention-craving nut?"
Look at it this way. If he had been wearing a jacket you'd be happy in your ignorance.
To me this is much like people getting all upset seeing the hammer back on a 1911.
I'm sure that, if and when the firearm needs to be drawn for defensive purposes, you'll have all the time in the world to carefully perform an administrative style draw using both hands.
It's in the photos.
I also suppose these folks either never practice or train live fire from the holster, or have some very unique ranges that allow this to be done safely.
Huh? My response was with respect to "holstering/re-holstering" you mentioned, not drawing your weapon.
ND's during drawing (and holstering) definitely happen. Having the gun pointed horizontally to the rear for holstering and re-holstering is obviously not a good idea.
If every person around someone open carrying a shoulder holstered gun started saying "Please don't point that at me", he'd stop openly carrying that way. But we are too polite with open carrier's because we also fear they might be nuts.
I don't know if you are nuts or not, but no one likes confronting armed people about much of anything, because anyone can be crazy, but most people aren't obviously armed.Wow! So I am nuts because I open carry? It always amazes me when people who obviously haven't been exposed to open carry make blanket statements.
And for me personally. You could ask me all you want to not carry in a particular fashion. I would be polite but I would not change how I was doing it. How I carry is of no concern to anyone. I do not open carry w/ a shoulder holster to avoid the type of situation in the OP. Just shows how if you don't know you feel comfortable. But not knowing doesn't make you any safer.
I'm reading this thread sitting in one of the barstool height chairs at a fast food restrurant. I have Khar PM40 in a pocket friction holster. You can trace a line from the muzzle to the back of another patron's head. Pretty standard. Holstered/cases/racked firearms often point right at people.
Mike