My frustration with the NRA and other RKBA activist organizations

[macadore]

Quote:

“When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross.”
Attributed to Sinclair Lewis

And we're supposed to give a political prediction by a drunkard fiction writer creedence because?

It appears to be happening.

 

[ReadyontheRight]

Except for the Second Amendment and McCain/Feingold, I would like to see true evidence of any other of the Bill of Rights not enforced in the USA

Howabout the totally-ignored Tenth Amendment?

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Like... the Federal gov't proving:
healthcare
medicare
retirement funds
welfare programs
roads
regulating virtually every product we make
etc. the list goes ON AND ON

Very good point.

 

[Wes Janson]

I can certainly agree with your sentiment. I am disgruntled with the Republican Party in many ways as they move to the left.

But WHO ELSE are the NRA to support?

If there are no decent candidates left, then there's no reason why the NRA can't nominate its own. The lesser of two evils is still evil.

Evidence?

Enough examples have already been posted, but I'll add wiretapping, PATRIOT Act, Homeland Security, and any number of other associated issues, some more visible than others. The only way to miss it is by not reading the news, and that's saying something considering how poorly the mainstream media tends to cover those things.

The point is, the Republican party, as of late (and I'll be fair here, and expand that to include the Democratic party as well), has not been particularly inclined towards respecting or protecting the other Constitutional rights guaranteed to us. Who cares if they're a bit slower than the Democrats at taking away our guns, if we're going to need to use them even sooner as a result?

 

[taprackbang]

Good thread

Another "excuse" thread about not joining the NRA. Just what we needed.

The guy who started this thread, even though I may disagree with him on public education, is correct on many counts.
I am a conservative and I will not join the NRA until they get rid of Joaquin Jackson. (Or is he already gone?) He said that only LEOs should have 'assault weapons' and that we 'little people' do not 'need' a magazine over 5 rounds.

NRA members; get this imposter out and replace him with a real RKBA patriot!
Then MAYBE I'll join.

 

[belus]

Another "excuse" thread about not joining the NRA. Just what we needed.

The guy who started this thread, even though I may disagree with him on public education, is correct on many counts.
I am a conservative and I will not join the NRA until they get rid of Joaquin Jackson. (Or is he already gone?) He said that only LEOs should have 'assault weapons' and that we 'little people' do not 'need' a magazine over 5 rounds.

NRA members; get this imposter out and replace him with a real RKBA patriot!
Then MAYBE I'll join.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSGySNLyACE

Wow. I guess we all have our crazies. That guy's worse than Bill Ruger.

 

[.38 Special]

Ah. One more silly excuse to add to the list: "I refuse to join the only nationally effective gun rights organization because they have one guy I don't like."

Hey, do us all a favor and start a thread about it. ILA can use all the contributions it can get. Oh, and don't think the "maybe" escaped notice. Anyone that can avoid the fight on such a flimsy excuse will certainly be able to find another one. "The dog ate my application", maybe.

 

[taprackbang]

Ah. One more silly excuse to add to the list: "I refuse to join the only nationally effective gun rights organization because they have one guy I don't like."

The NRA does some things very well. They are VERY good communicators.
But I believe them to be ineffective in some areas because they won't touch certain issues with a 10 foot pole. (Len Savage, Olofson, etc.)

If it's a 'silly excuse', then fine. Just make sure to get rid of all of your mags over 5 rounds and ditch your 'assault weapons.'
(Why would I support J Jackson when he opposes my right to own a PTR 91?)

If you doubt my level of activity and personal effort in doing my part to preserve the RKBA, just PM me.
I will be happy to provide you with a list.
I do not need to be an NRA member in order to accomplish my civic duty in standing up for our rights that we share.

 

[JohnBT]

"I am a conservative and I will not join the NRA until they get rid of Joaquin Jackson. (Or is he already gone?)"

You crack me up. You make his dismissal a condition for you joining and you don't even know if he is still on board?

:banghead:

 

[JohnBT]

"NRA members; get this imposter out and replace him with a real RKBA patriot!
Then MAYBE I'll join."

I nominate you. Oh, wait a minute, you aren't a member. At least he joined and is doing something.

John

 

[ilbob]

I am going ro consider resigning my life membership because they won't endorse me having nuclear weapons.

 

[JohnBT]

"I do not need to be an NRA member in order to accomplish my civic duty in standing up for our rights that we share."

No, but joining doesn't mean you'd have to stop doing what you're already doing.

Dues are only used for education anyway. Federal law pohibits using them for political activities. Just thought you'd like to know. I mean, in case you don't know, even though you say you know a lot about everything.

John

 

[.38 Special]

If it's a 'silly excuse', then fine. Just make sure to get rid of all of your mags over 5 rounds and ditch your 'assault weapons.'

It was the NRA that was responsible for the sunset provision of the assault weapons ban. You seem to have mistaken the possible opinions of one fellow who may or may not still be a part of the organization with actions that the NRA has taken that are directly responsible for your ability to still buy an "assault weapon".

 

[csmkersh]

"I am a conservative and I will not join the NRA until they get rid of Joaquin Jackson. (Or is he already gone?)"

You crack me up. You make his dismissal a condition for you joining and you don't even know if he is still on board?

Joaquin Jackson has a year or 2 left on his current board seat.

And, yes, the NRA got the sunset provision in the AWB then took a $1,000,000 from Bill Ruger so they wouldn't diss his fathering the hi-cap bill in the first place.

Note to all non-NRA members. You can't change an organization from the outside.



And since the Knox Revolution, it's become impossible from within.

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[.38 Special]

Never mind.

 

[taprackbang]

You make his dismissal a condition for you joining and you don't even know if he is still on board?

As far as I know, Jackson is still there.
He is a mole and one of many in gun rights groups. Watch his interview on youtube and tell me where I am wrong.

BTW you might like this link.

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/20080809_Gun-control_group_ousts_suspected_NRA_mole.html

 

[taprackbang]

It was the NRA that was responsible for the sunset provision of the assault weapons ban.

If that is true, then for that I am glad.

 

[FourNineFoxtrot]

I'm a little uncertain how this thread has avoided getting locked down.

However, I may as well use the opportunity to say what I have to say.

Like the OP, I'm not an NRA member. I'm still trying to decide if it's an organization I want to join. Please, don't throw more links at me, I'll do my own research, in my own time.

What troubles me about this thread is the notion that because the OP isn't an NRA member, he's not "pulling his weight" in the RKBA struggle. By extension, that indicts everyone else who isn't a member, including myself.

I don't much like being called a freeloader, even indirectly, just because I'm ambivalent about the NRA. There's more to activism than a membership card. Moreover, folks basically saying "unless you're a member of this group, you're not really on our side" is not something I ever thought to hear on THR. It sounds suspiciously like "If you aren't with us all the way, if you won't join the groups we think you ought to join, then you're against us." I hope I'm misreading the intent, because I really don't like that.

The right to bear arms is not a "conservative" value alone. It's part and parcel to self-defense, the natural right to survive. It's a human value. If gun rights is a value that's mostly championed by the right today, then so be it. But I think it's a mistake to assume that somebody who doesn't align "conservative" is any less of a gun-rights proponent based on that fact alone.

 

[FourNineFoxtrot]

Double post

 

[cornman]

There are thousands of more important organizations to give money to than the NRA. Given the troubles in the world worrying about guns are not one that is that important. imo

 

[stevek]

I'm liberal: I care about the whole Bill of Rights.

I'm conservative/libertarian...and I care about the whole Bill of Rights.

I support education. Unfortunately, at least in this state, too much of the public education funding is used for the benefit of the system/employees, at the expense of the students.

BTW...did the ACLU file a brief in the Heller decision?

 

[JohnBT]

"If gun rights is a value that's mostly championed by the right today..."

If? I didn't think there was any debate about this. Oh, there's the stray Democrat who supports it, but it's otherwise pretty straightforward.

John
Member www.vcdl.org
NRA Patron

 

[Gunnerpalace]

I am a conservative and I will not join the NRA until they get rid of Joaquin Jackson. (Or is he already gone?) He said that only LEOs should have 'assault weapons' and that we 'little people' do not 'need' a magazine over 5 rounds.

Be thankful we have Youtube, otherwise that might have never come out.


So how does one go on the board of the NRA? I have a few things that could be done.

 

[SCKimberFan]

So how does one go on the board of the NRA? I have a few things that could be done.

Step 1: Join.

Step 2: Get involved in all the activities you can so that you will be known as an avid member.

Step 3: Get nominated.

 

[texas bulldog]

holy crap! i can't believe this thread is still alive.

FourNineFoxtrot,
if you don't like the implication that you are a freeloader, then join some group that helps to pay for the very expensive fight for our rights. it doesn't have to be the NRA.

also, i fail to see how the NRA is a conservative-only organization. they have one issue: guns and gun rights.

 

[LKB3rd]

I don't like the fact that the NRA participates as lobbyists in writing anti gun laws. They come back to their membership saying "we softened the blow" or we got a "workable compromise."
In my opinion they should be saying "No. No. No. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED." Then they should rally their members to throw spaz fits against these laws.
This is why I will never join the NRA. I am not a freeloader, I work as an individual in protecting gun rights in a way that doesn't involve writing, and supporting anti-gun laws. I have hired an attorney, and am working on open carry in CT. The Gun owners of America is an organization that I do support, because they are more of a no compromise group.