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My letter to the NRA

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by mdog, Feb 21, 2009.

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  1. mdog

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    This is a copy of a letter I just mailed to Mr. LaPierre of the NRA. I am interested in your reaction, good or bad, to my letter.

    Dear Wayne LaPierre,

    I do not agree with everything the NRA does but I still feel I am a loyal member. I believe in the basic American right to keep and bear arms. I recently upgraded to an endowment membership to support the efforts of the NRA. We will have many challenges in the next four years.

    I recently received the March 2009 issue of American Rifleman and read the article on the DS Arms B&T TP9 pistol. I just cannot keep quiet. We buy firearms for target practice, competition, hunting, personal defense and sometimes just for the fun of it. In my opinion the only category this pistol possible fits is the fun category. By publishing an article in a national magazine you are inferring that you support the sale of such weapon. Do you really want to put the unofficial NRA stamp of approval on this pistol? To me this is just free cannon fodder for the anti-gun establishment. You know better than I how hard the legal battles are to preserve our right to bear arms. I just do not understand why you published a review on this pistol. Surely your editors are acutely aware of the damage this article can do to our side.

    This raises the larger question, where do you draw the line? Do we support the right to own all firearm or only certain ones? Somewhere in this question common sense should prevail. I wish I were a more eloquent writer. I do not have all the answers but it is my hope that this letter will get the leaders of the NRA and gun owners thinking and talking about what sensible and safe gun ownership in America should be. You have my permission to publish and distribute this letter as you see fit.


    Respectively yours,
     
  2. jaholder1971

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    You're joking, right???

    Exactly what's your problem with this firearm?
     
  3. Jorg Nysgerrig

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    I'm completely baffled by your letter. I'm looking at the same review you are and I see a rather expensive oversized 9mm polymer pistol. What has you so upset? Do you just not like the way it looks?

    Did I miss something?
     
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    I don't see that as a problem at all but everyone can keep their own opinions.
     
  5. Dravur

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    Well, let's assume for the moment, the OP isn't a troll....

    So, a gun must have a function to be on the NRA approved list? Ok, then I nominate FUN as a valid function...

    Case closed.
     
  6. 22lr

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    Personally that gun is on the top of my "if I had money list." Does it serve a purpose other than fun, that's debatable but is my 30-06 really a hunting gun or is it a fun gun. Since I live in Indiana I cant even go hunting with it so its just a fun gun. Nothing wrong with them in my mind. I would take that pistol and wipe the floor at competitions, id take it coyote hunting (I love hunting coyotes with weird guns), and it would make one heck of a HD gun. But again that's just me.:rolleyes:
     
  7. Fburgtx

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    You're kidding, right?? The 1st Amendment was most likely written to protect "political" speech (speech against the government). Larry Flynt (of "Hustler" magazine fame) and others have won court cases claiming 1st Amendment rights for obvious "non-political" speech (think, pornography).

    In much the same way, the 2nd Amendment was written to allow citizens to protect themselves from tyranny. Do you feel the 2nd Amendment only covers arms used for "defensive" purposes?? What about "sporting" arms??? How about "target" rifles and pistols???? Why not "fun" guns???
     
  8. crazy-mp

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    Uh, I think I am missing it too, wouldnt the readers of the NRA magazine want to see something other than a bolt action blued steel and walnut rifle every once and a while? I like seeing new guns and when a company either pays for ad space or gives editors a few guns to "review" I doubt they turn them down.
     
  9. 2RCO

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    I have a friend that owns a highly successful firearms related business and always has at least a 1/4 page add in American Rifleman. He asked them to do a review of one of his products and they suggested he buy 4 or 5 full page adds and it would happen. Evern AR runs on their ad budget. Gun makers basically pay for these reviews to be done. Note --I've looked into doing some ads in AR for 2RCo and they aren't cheap!

    I personally saw nothing wrong with this review and don't see how it hurts us in any way. We need a "Fun Gun" from time to time.
     
  10. seale

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    Well "mdog," based on your letter you are A. anti gun, because you seem to have disdain for firearms that are not "sporting purpose" enough for you. If you really sent that letter then you are advocating that the NRA cower to political correctness. You need to understand that a gun is a gun is a gun. If one gun is targeted for a ban because of arbitrary political correctness, then thousands of other guns are next. Some of us are old enough to have watched this play out many times in many states and nations.

    B. you are utterly clueless about firearms because you claim that pistol is only good for "fun." Come on, are you serious? What makes you think that high quality handgun would not be good for home defense? What makes you think that high quality handgun would not be good for competition and target practice? Clearly you haven't seen many shooting competitions. Do you think they only allow revolvers at competitions? Come on.

    Hey "mdog," it's a shame you couldn't congratulate the nra for daring to highlight a politically incorrect firearm (especially a quality one).
     
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    mdog

    I believe you are dead wrong.

    A right is in no way tied to any need, be it hunting or anything else.

    Any firearm is very appropriate for the NRA to review.
     
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    GUNS ARE FUN MDOG!!!! I seriously can't believe you wrote that letter! It is that attitude that the anti-gun nuts thrive on!

    Pull your head out of your *** and listen! If it starts with guns like the DSArms 9mm then your lever action 30-30 will only be a pen stroke away!
     
  14. mdog

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    Thank you for the response. Not sure what a troll is, never been called that. I expected some negative response but not this vicious. While I do not expect to change anyone's opinion, I will expand on mine.

    Many military weapons have made the transition to the civilian market successfully. The 1903 Springfield and 1891 Mauser have long been used for medium to long range hunting rifles. The Mauser action is still used to this day in new rifles. Garands and M14 are still used competitively. The AR-15 is slowly being accepted as varmint hunting rifle. It has taken many years to shake it's "Evil Black Rifle" image.

    However, guns like the Mac 10, Tec 9 and now this B&T MP9 maybe fantastic tactical weapons for special ops, but I fail to see the civilian use of a semi-automatic version of any of these guns. For those who have not read the article, DS Arms has taken the B&T MP9 and made a semiautomatic version called the TP9. In my opinion these guns are more likely to be used in a bank robbery or gang violence than target practice or hunting.

    But that is all this is, just my opinion. From this response it sounds like DS Arms should do well with this pistol. It would be interesting to see one at our next IDPA match.
     
  15. Ohio Gun Guy

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    I feel dumber for having read that.

    It's basis for the "Wrong" sited in the letter is 1 outrage, 2 the Looks of the gun, 3 the imagined "Classification" of the "FUN" gun, 4 the assumption of being right based on ones FEELINGS, 5 the assertion by lack of inclusion that defending ourselves from our own government isn’t covered by the 2nd amendment.

    These are all fine liberal points of view. I'm calling troll!
     
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    And that last phrase is why you're getting so many negative comments. This is the logical fallacy of the "sporting purposes" idea that has been smeared onto the 2nd Amendment. The 2nd A. is not about hunting, target shooting, or even (by it's literal phrasing) primarily about self-defense. The 2nd was intended to ensure that civilians were ensured access to MILITARY weapons.

    [/QUOTE]In my opinion these guns are more likely to be used in a bank robbery or gang violence than target practice or hunting.[/QUOTE]

    First of all, this may be your opinion, but it is wrong. I don't know how many they will sell, but I can say (based on the track record for many other styles similar to the TP-9) that they'll sell thousands for every one that ends up in the "wrong hands." Criminals tend to acquire what ever is easy to get. More people are shot with .22s than any other caliber (IIRC).

    But even if it WERE true, it doesn't matter. Illegal use by SOME does not negate the right guaranteed to all.

    Welcome to the forum! Please stay and read. There is a great deal to be learned here, including much that is of value concerning the basis and maintenance of our rights.

    -Sam
     
  17. Martyk

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    Who "NEEDS" a basketball..

    Please explain with the same logic the material Need and Functional Need for a Basketball. Or for that matter...Cars that go over 65 miles per hour, what's the need and purpose. It's against the law to exceed the speed limit so why are the automakers allowed to blatantly produce and advertise and glorify vehicles that are capable of exceeding this lawful speed limit... in fact, I think that the entire NASCAR racing industry only Promotes excessive speed and unsafe driving. It should be banned.. there's no need for this type of driving or for people to see it. It will give them the wrong idea. Oh yea, and while I'm at it.. why do they make movies that show people getting killed.. :cuss::banghead::fire::evil:
     
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    Ya know I would simply like to see the same logic (of the OP) applied to other areas of our existence. Such as food, "there should be no sales of prime beef because one only eats it due to its superior taste and it is really unhealthy for us. You really don't need it."; "Can you believe that GM sells that Corvette, why the only thing it is good for is high speed and massaging of the owner's ego. You really don't need it."; "Why would ANYONE want that $100 scotch (wine)!? How esoteric a snob do ya have to be?! My (domestic malt beverage) is all you need!".

    Point is is that defining others needs is as arbitrary as it gets.

    I would love to have that 9mm sub gun. What a great home defense weapon for the recoil sensitive like my wife. Not to mention it carries a lot more ammo for times when one misses. In my opinion, the 9mm sub semi-auto sub gun is among the best in home defense weapons for the same reason all of the operators like them. Controllable, pointable, and plenty of zappers in the mag, and easy to train the relatively uninitiated on.

    So lighten up Francis... :neener:
     
  19. TexasRifleman

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    Oh please. So you're deciding what a gun will be used for based upon what it LOOKS like? It's priced at $1,250, I'm sure the local gangbangers will be in line to buy them.

    Thank you Ms Pelosi.......
     
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  20. Martyk

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    Mdog... maybe you should check with us BEFORE you write your next letter.. LOL :D
     
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    Don't worry comrade, the time is coming when this logic will be applied to everything.

    (Instead of troll though, I'd guess big city cop.)
     
  22. Dravur

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    Well... First off a troll is some anti 2a person who comes onto pro-2a sites and tries to convince people that no, they really ARE pro-2a... except for thier wanting to ban a certain class of weapon, because they FEEL that no one should own one. Seems to fit in this case.

    As to your FEELINGS that these guns serve no purpose....Tough Toenails. Your feelings have no influence in my life. If I want one of those guns, then I will get one and I will not take into account your feelings whatsoever.

    For my purposes... I could use one in home defense, or as a fun plinking gun.
    If you aren't a troll, then you need to really think about this and then ask yourself, if we all have to kowtow to your feelings, when do you have to kowtow to the Brady Bunches feelings and lose your guns...

    See the slippery slope?

    If you are a troll, then please, burn in hell.
     
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    mmmmmmmmmmmmmm--blued steel and walnut, truly traditional. It`s better looking than the synthetic.
     
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    So how exactly does this rub you?

    My philosophy has always been to stop wearing ear protection and just turn the volume down on the firearm. And the little Swiss made TP9 that you don't like looks fun. Glad to see that more manufacturers have stepped up into the sporting firearms industry.

    :)
     
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    Don't do that, you will scare him :)

    Very nice by the way.
     
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