my new job requires me to carry......

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.....and it's not a good thing.

after being out of work for a few months, i finally landed a forlklift operating gig with a local shipping company last week. like so many other businesses, they don't allow their employees to carry weapons on the property; that means, not even locked in my car.

my second day on the job saw me working on the floor, with a few others, trying to get an order out in a hurry. one of the guys strikes up a conversation, about the Penn State/USC game. i said that i wasn't much of a football guy, and that i was a more of a hoops kind of guy.

"oh yeah? well, me too, but it's not like we gotta a lot of choice at the work center."

that's not exactly what i expected to come out of his mouth.

during the course of the day, i discovered that over 75% of the guys working there are felons who are either on parole, on work release, or have done their bid. and it's not like these are just child support deadbeats, or shoplifters, or kids who got busted with a bag of weed; i found out that most of them were in for violent felonies: assault, attempted murder, rape, armed robbery, etc.

it gets better. these guys are walking around with boxcutters.

if finding a job wasn't so hard in this area, i would have walked out. listening to their lunchtime conversation, most of them aren't penitent in the least. most of the conversation consisted of how they couldn't wait to get home, so they could pop some vicodins/score an eightball/get some rock/find the dude who snitched/go to the bar and get hammered/etc, etc, etc.

i understand that every man deserves a chance to be forgiven, but while i put their pasts behind me, i'm keeping my gun right next to me, while i drive that forklift.

in the meantime, i'll continue to send out my resume, so i can get the hell outta there ASAP.
 
Just keep your head. I've spent plenty of time around felons and never really felt skeerd. The last thing you want to do is escalate a situation where cooler heads would have prevailed.
 
i understand that every man deserves a chance to be forgiven, but while i put their pasts behind me, i'm keeping my gun right next to me, while i drive that forklift.

in the meantime, i'll continue to send out my resume, so i can get the hell outta there ASAP.
Sounds like a good plan. I wish you luck in your search.
 
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Keep talking sports and weather. Don't mention guns or anything, if you have a nice watch, get a cheap one and talk about it. Talk with your boss and tell him that your wife has been being harrased by an ex boyfriend and that you would like permission to keep a peice in a lock box in your truck for the drive home. Maybe you have to pickup your wife... Maybe your not married, well then say it is your sister / mom so on and so forth... If that doesn't fly:

Pepper spray ring
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Neck Knife
http://www.selfdefenseproducts.com/Neck-Knives-p-1-c-385.html

Various Hidden knives
http://www.selfdefenseproducts.com/Hidden-Knives-p-1-c-387.html

Regular pepper spray as well

I don't know how else to say it, but RESPECT means a lot to these people, if you give it to them and do not get to personal, maintain discipline, you will earn it from them.
 
Been there, but this was way before CCW was even being considered in the 80's. I worked with all walks of life, ethnicity, race, religion what have you. To make matters "tense" most everyone I worked with knew I was attempting to become a police officer. Except for a few minor disagreements, most of these guys were working stiff's trying to pay their bills like you and I. They pretty much ignored me, but I did give them a wide berth. You hafta realize if they can hold down a job, their ahead of 99% of the dirtbags your worrying about. At least you know they can show up to a job and take direction from a boss. That is a HUGE deal, most of these guys do their criminal behavior and keep it separate from work. Use caution, but if you mind your business, they will probaly mind theirs.

Of course you can find yourself in a bad situation, I would without a doubt be prepared (yes CCW against company policy) just in case.

BTW working these jobs really was good training when I became a police officer, I pretty much knew how these guys ticked, and was a lot more at ease around "the element" than most new guys

Tom
 
one of the funny things that happened at work was one of the supervisors saw a knife i was using to cut open boxes; it was a Spyderco karambit. he warned against me using it, saying the bosses didn't like knives like that; they're too scary looking. meanwhile, everyone is walking around with boxcutters and bandwire shanks.....
 
i found out that most of them were in for violent felonies: assault, attempted murder, rape, armed robbery, etc.

Oh, so you went to work on Capitol Hill? You know how those congressmen can be...
 
I worked with a felon one summer hauling hay when I was 17 and by the time the summer ended we were good friends. I'm 60 now and we're still great friends.
 
I've sort of found myself in a similar situation--that is, working around convicted felons. All of us have all sorts of knives on us. My boss doesn't trust a lot of the guys we work around and often carries openly so I guess guns are not a problem. I carry concealed and let no one know I'm packing. I don't even talk much about guns around work. And yes, some of these guys are great and seem rehabilitated and working around them and getting to know them is a great way to find out how they think.
 
Tell you what. Just be yourself, give them some "respect," and you'll be fine. Carry if you want, but I can almost promise, it will never be necessary. If they are showing up for work, they have at least a little self-respect.

I lived in the "'hood" for three years in Minneapolis where drugs and prostitution were the major industries, gun shots were at least a weekly event, and I only felt threatened once or twice. I walked or took the bus everywhere at all hours. At first, I was always looked at as a cop because I had a real clean cut appearance and really did not fit in with the environment, but after a while, I was just who I was: a neighbor. I never approved of what they did, but if the police could not control them, could I? Hell no!

I say, work your job, get another one if/when you can if you want, and just be yourself. Their definition of respect may be a little off kilter, but when you learn it, you can get away with a lot with that stereotypical population.
 
I'm in a little different situation, I am the boss/owner. I have employed felons, in fact I have one working for me right now. He seems to have turned his life around, I also had ones that worked for me that went right back to jail. Some will turn it around, and some will never turn it around and continue to be a burden on society.
 
One thing you can do is be the same every day. Speak to and be on good terms with everyone. Don't blend in with talk about drugs /tough guy talk ect. They will see you as a "I don't do that" type...and they will just leave you out of that part of the day to day chatter. You'll be fine. Don't be condescending or "holier than thou". Just be you and let it be.

Mark.
 
You know, it's not a prison so these guys aren't going to be punking you out or trying to shank you at every moment on a shotcaller's orders.

Relax. Concentrate on work. Don't disrespect these guys just as you wouldn't disrespect anyone else. Felons are a different bunch but if you're cool with them, they have better things to do than mess up their parole and job for you when it doesn't get them anything.

Just think of it in terms of what is in it for them. It's instant gratification for these guys, so just don't give them a reason. Keep your guard up but you don't have to be more paranoid than usual. I've worked with regular Joe Schmoe citizens that I wouldn't trust to turn my back on either. At least with cons, you know where they're coming from.
 
I absolutely disagree with Big Bill's advice. You do not want to become friends with these guys.
I wouldn't want them to know one thing about me or spend one minute with them that wasn't work related. I never invite unnecessary drama into my life.
 
Make friends with your co-workers, maybe you'll learn something.
I agree with this in the context that HardTarget put it:
...be the same every day. Speak to and be on good terms with everyone. Don't blend in with talk about drugs /tough guy talk ect. They will see you as a "I don't do that" type...and they will just leave you out of that part of the day to day chatter... Don't be condescending or "holier than thou". Just be you and let it be.
Bringing up firearms with anyone at work IMO immediately puts you on the radar those around you that you are inclined to carry with or without permission. Bringing it up around management in most jobs can jeopardize staying employed. Let it remain unspoken.
 
The point of carrying CONCEALED is that it is CONCEALED, from being physically seen carrying to letting people know you are carrying. It's a total package. If people know you're carrying because you talked about it... it's not concealed anymore.
 
Mbt2001 and John828 have good advice.
These guy's life and language revolve arround the (granted fuzzy) concept of "respect."
It's a wierd psychology, but it's their oxygen. They crave and demand it. I think a large factor in this is the abscence of loving male parenting for most of them.
 
As long as you aren't breaking the law, go for it. Just make damn sure it stays concealed unless you are 100% sure that your other option is death. Shooting a co-worker is a not good for the resume. :eek:

Tin foil hat time:
How many other recently employed, non-felon, forklift-operating men there are in Scranton, PA? Be careful with the details, or don't. I would.
 
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