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Hardtarget's post number 16 is spot on.
To which I will add:
-Respect.
-Do not divulge anything personal, not by verbal language, or non-verbal language.
Now you do have a great learning opportunity if you play it right.
Street Savvy.
You will learn things from various models of criminals, if you pay attention.
You do not have to do anything illegal, just set your boundaries, and earn some respect from these folks.
Just paying attention, will teach you a lot. If these folks choose to share something, listen, do not eaves drop, or butt in, but listen when they choose to share with you anything.
Reading the room - me
Just start paying attention to how do , or how not do things. Listen to them when they suggest something, there most likely is a very good reason.
NO wannabe behavior, they will con you and take you down.
There is a opportunity here, if this is played right.
Internet is full of 'what if's', armchair rangers, net-ninjas and ...some of these folks have no friggin' idea a real world exists, and their post will get folks hurt, injured, raped, maimed or dead.
Don't look like prey- think like a criminal-mentors-n-me
Some of my Mentors do include Ex-Cons.
I also was allowed to spend time in some small town jails, to listen and learn, as some Mentors were in Police work.
Dead serious.
I was born in the mid 50's, into hi-risk life things, and spent my life in such settings. All legal.
I knew how roll a cigarette using cigarette papers and cigarette tobacco as kid, as folks rolled their own (RYO) back in the day instead of smoking a "hard-rolled" ( store bought cigarettes.
Ex con shared how Bugler was the number one tobacco in jails/prisons, and when the concession came by a con/inmate was only allowed one book of matches.
These matches had to last, as pouch of Bugler came with 40 cigarette papers, and enough tobacco to roll that many cigarettes.
A book of matches only contains 20 matches.
"You split the match into, and now you have 40 matches in that matchbook" - ex con.
Ex cons taught me , law enforcement, and some ladies how to use a carton cutter, box cutter, screwdriver, toothbrush, pen and pencil as "offensive weapons".
"If you know how to take down a mark, then you can defend yourself against being a mark, and be taken down" - ex con.
A rash of bad things were going on, as a "crew" had come to a town.
Now I am not a cop.
Still some serious things were going down and ...I needed to know to protect me and mine and our work.
So went to that part of the country, and asked to be put in jail.
I knew some of the cops, as did our body guards.
I rinsed my mouth out with Wild Turkey, and got some soap in my eyes and was tossed for DWI /DUI, on a Friday night.
I had nothing but my smokes, and matches, but I had arranged to snatch a chrome Cross Pen from the cop.
All planned.
I was "drunk" calling this cop a Pig, and going "Oink" and pissing him and every cop in the jail off, and being cheered by others in jail.
They saw me snatch that Cross Pen, and nobody gave me up.
I was seen splitting matches, and folks took note.
I used lessons from ex cons to stay in jail until Monday morning when I even went to see the Judge.
I darn near got tossed back in the slammer for 10 days for contempt of court.
All staged, still the Judge did not like me suggesting his parents were not married when he was born.
This got me introduced to some "fellas" that invited me into their circle.
Hi-Risk stuff I was doing, and I was part of ( I hate the words "elite" or "special") still I was part of the ones that did things at a more risky level than others.
I got information, valuable information. Me and mine called what we did "Playing the game", sick humor to stay sane.
The "crew" left town.
I was still accepted and was given information about some other fellas I might like to meet, and was spoken for.
This is how I got in with illegal cock and dawg fights.
My vouch allowed an Undercover Cop to become part of this illegal cock and dawg fight ring, and he eventually became a pit boss.
This is why Cops listen to Jailers, and Correction Guards.
So do criminal attorneys.
Oh, I made my "bones" with the illegal cock and dawg fight bunch , by using a single shot , youth, .22 rifle at the back of the knee to "encourage the rest of the money would be paid when due".
I did not really, again a staged deal and even the ER doc, nurses were in on this.
"Just another hunting accident" as the report was written up".
The money was paid, and that person, was later "arrested for outstanding warrants" and sent back out of state.
All arranged, still I needed to make my bones.
I used my skill sets for legit and legal, granted some did not think so, and sometimes the areas look really dark gray.
Heck there are those that still I am really a criminal, that was the Perception, I needed for some things.
Another time a UC was afraid he had been made. I was called, and I drove a couple of hours and went to assist this UC.
Cops were afraid for him, still did not want to blow his cover.
So go to this bar, accuse him of messing with my gal and cold cocked him off a bar stool.
Then the bar keep called the Cops, and we both got OC's and tossed in separate squad cars.
I forget if I was the one wanted for armed robbery or for assault and battery and had skipped bail. No matter, these were the "reasons" we both were out of town as "offisers elsewhere were interested in us".
I also chose to spend time in a jail when a serial rapist was caught, and even got a cell next to his.
This was not easy.
Years later, I would use that experience to assist in catching another serial rapist.
I am not a cop, still some skill sets from what I learned from being around criminals, along with other skill sets I was Mentored , have allowed me to do the right things.
It is still not a good idea for me to be seen in some parts of the country, or have some names I have used, spoken in some circles.
Doing the right things, means gaining some real enemies.
Ironic, some criminals would watch my six against some legit persons, going bad.
Ex con watched my back /gave heads up with a husband and wife ( daughter and son-in-law) of a family business , setting up customers to be robbed, and I became involved when they set up a sales rep I knew and he was shot, during an robbery while on the road.
Trust me, you never want to mess with a Postal Inspector.
This couple went to prison, and they were using US Postal Service to mail the stolen mdse.
There are various models of criminals.
My concerns also were of Professional Criminals.
Those that kidnap, as I was a target of being kidnapped since I was born.
Those that by-pass alarms, locks, safes, walk in vaults, and have skill sets such as using a burn bar.
Street Savvy, runs from tailored suits and five star restaurants, to being a street person, and staying warm with trash can fire, using newspaper for blankets, and sleeping in a cardboard box.
You cannot learn some things, except by doing, and being mentored by those that do things.
To thine own self be true...I did.
I could not be bribed, never lost a package, and never crossed over to the other side.
I have been offered up to $1.5 million to cross over to the dark side, with a percentage of future takes , as I know people, places and things.
Still if a opportunity presents itself, consider what can be learned.
To which I will add:
-Respect.
-Do not divulge anything personal, not by verbal language, or non-verbal language.
Now you do have a great learning opportunity if you play it right.
Street Savvy.
You will learn things from various models of criminals, if you pay attention.
You do not have to do anything illegal, just set your boundaries, and earn some respect from these folks.
Just paying attention, will teach you a lot. If these folks choose to share something, listen, do not eaves drop, or butt in, but listen when they choose to share with you anything.
Reading the room - me
Just start paying attention to how do , or how not do things. Listen to them when they suggest something, there most likely is a very good reason.
NO wannabe behavior, they will con you and take you down.
There is a opportunity here, if this is played right.
Internet is full of 'what if's', armchair rangers, net-ninjas and ...some of these folks have no friggin' idea a real world exists, and their post will get folks hurt, injured, raped, maimed or dead.
Don't look like prey- think like a criminal-mentors-n-me
Some of my Mentors do include Ex-Cons.
I also was allowed to spend time in some small town jails, to listen and learn, as some Mentors were in Police work.
Dead serious.
I was born in the mid 50's, into hi-risk life things, and spent my life in such settings. All legal.
I knew how roll a cigarette using cigarette papers and cigarette tobacco as kid, as folks rolled their own (RYO) back in the day instead of smoking a "hard-rolled" ( store bought cigarettes.
Ex con shared how Bugler was the number one tobacco in jails/prisons, and when the concession came by a con/inmate was only allowed one book of matches.
These matches had to last, as pouch of Bugler came with 40 cigarette papers, and enough tobacco to roll that many cigarettes.
A book of matches only contains 20 matches.
"You split the match into, and now you have 40 matches in that matchbook" - ex con.
Ex cons taught me , law enforcement, and some ladies how to use a carton cutter, box cutter, screwdriver, toothbrush, pen and pencil as "offensive weapons".
"If you know how to take down a mark, then you can defend yourself against being a mark, and be taken down" - ex con.
A rash of bad things were going on, as a "crew" had come to a town.
Now I am not a cop.
Still some serious things were going down and ...I needed to know to protect me and mine and our work.
So went to that part of the country, and asked to be put in jail.
I knew some of the cops, as did our body guards.
I rinsed my mouth out with Wild Turkey, and got some soap in my eyes and was tossed for DWI /DUI, on a Friday night.
I had nothing but my smokes, and matches, but I had arranged to snatch a chrome Cross Pen from the cop.
All planned.
I was "drunk" calling this cop a Pig, and going "Oink" and pissing him and every cop in the jail off, and being cheered by others in jail.
They saw me snatch that Cross Pen, and nobody gave me up.
I was seen splitting matches, and folks took note.
I used lessons from ex cons to stay in jail until Monday morning when I even went to see the Judge.
I darn near got tossed back in the slammer for 10 days for contempt of court.
All staged, still the Judge did not like me suggesting his parents were not married when he was born.
This got me introduced to some "fellas" that invited me into their circle.
Hi-Risk stuff I was doing, and I was part of ( I hate the words "elite" or "special") still I was part of the ones that did things at a more risky level than others.
I got information, valuable information. Me and mine called what we did "Playing the game", sick humor to stay sane.
The "crew" left town.
I was still accepted and was given information about some other fellas I might like to meet, and was spoken for.
This is how I got in with illegal cock and dawg fights.
My vouch allowed an Undercover Cop to become part of this illegal cock and dawg fight ring, and he eventually became a pit boss.
This is why Cops listen to Jailers, and Correction Guards.
So do criminal attorneys.
Oh, I made my "bones" with the illegal cock and dawg fight bunch , by using a single shot , youth, .22 rifle at the back of the knee to "encourage the rest of the money would be paid when due".
I did not really, again a staged deal and even the ER doc, nurses were in on this.
"Just another hunting accident" as the report was written up".
The money was paid, and that person, was later "arrested for outstanding warrants" and sent back out of state.
All arranged, still I needed to make my bones.
I used my skill sets for legit and legal, granted some did not think so, and sometimes the areas look really dark gray.
Heck there are those that still I am really a criminal, that was the Perception, I needed for some things.
Another time a UC was afraid he had been made. I was called, and I drove a couple of hours and went to assist this UC.
Cops were afraid for him, still did not want to blow his cover.
So go to this bar, accuse him of messing with my gal and cold cocked him off a bar stool.
Then the bar keep called the Cops, and we both got OC's and tossed in separate squad cars.
I forget if I was the one wanted for armed robbery or for assault and battery and had skipped bail. No matter, these were the "reasons" we both were out of town as "offisers elsewhere were interested in us".
I also chose to spend time in a jail when a serial rapist was caught, and even got a cell next to his.
This was not easy.
Years later, I would use that experience to assist in catching another serial rapist.
I am not a cop, still some skill sets from what I learned from being around criminals, along with other skill sets I was Mentored , have allowed me to do the right things.
It is still not a good idea for me to be seen in some parts of the country, or have some names I have used, spoken in some circles.
Doing the right things, means gaining some real enemies.
Ironic, some criminals would watch my six against some legit persons, going bad.
Ex con watched my back /gave heads up with a husband and wife ( daughter and son-in-law) of a family business , setting up customers to be robbed, and I became involved when they set up a sales rep I knew and he was shot, during an robbery while on the road.
Trust me, you never want to mess with a Postal Inspector.
This couple went to prison, and they were using US Postal Service to mail the stolen mdse.
There are various models of criminals.
My concerns also were of Professional Criminals.
Those that kidnap, as I was a target of being kidnapped since I was born.
Those that by-pass alarms, locks, safes, walk in vaults, and have skill sets such as using a burn bar.
Street Savvy, runs from tailored suits and five star restaurants, to being a street person, and staying warm with trash can fire, using newspaper for blankets, and sleeping in a cardboard box.
You cannot learn some things, except by doing, and being mentored by those that do things.
To thine own self be true...I did.
I could not be bribed, never lost a package, and never crossed over to the other side.
I have been offered up to $1.5 million to cross over to the dark side, with a percentage of future takes , as I know people, places and things.
Still if a opportunity presents itself, consider what can be learned.
notorious
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Good read!
I never pass up the opportunity to learn from all sides. There are things in the world that only come from certain sources.
I never pass up the opportunity to learn from all sides. There are things in the world that only come from certain sources.
Don't show anyone your house, guns, anything....You're there to work, that's it. Talk about generalities and mind your own business....don't go to a bar with these guys or loan money out.
It's all good until they tell another skid where they can find a gun, money, woman, scripts, etc.
It's all good until they tell another skid where they can find a gun, money, woman, scripts, etc.
notorious
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Don't tell anyone anything that you wouldn't want them to turn to use against you. Just think, would I tell this to the guy breaking into my house and intent on killing me? If not, then don't tell your coworkers either.
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don't try to bs em. they are pros at that and will catch you eventually
notorious
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So getting back to the OP topic... why does his job REQUIRE him to carry? I think it's more accurately that he thinks he NEEDS to carry based on his coworkers.
ljnowell
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carry-forklift. play on words
notorious
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Not really... the difference is that my job as a policeman REQUIRES me to carry. If I don't carry, I get fired.
For him, he feels the NEED to carry, but if he does carry, he gets fired.
For him, he feels the NEED to carry, but if he does carry, he gets fired.
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jahwarrior
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well, it's a moot point, now. i quit today. it's one thing to have to work around a bunch of violent ex-felons, it's another thing to be talked to like i'm one of them.
despite my reservations about working there, i understand, like many have you have stated, that not all cons are bad people. my last boss is an ex-felon, and we got along great, on and off the clock. he was a hard working man, and a decent man, despite his past mistakes. i also understand that the job market for guys with a record is pretty narrow, and that they get a lot of crap from people, and have to take it, if they want to stay out of prison.
i, however, do not.
as long as i've been able to work, i've never been talked to, or treated, with such disrespect by so-called professionals. as much as i hate my kids' dog, i would never treat him the way they treat people in that place. the only other job i've ever had where people were treated like such garbage was when i was a 17 year old cashier for D'Agostino's Supermarkets, in the Bronx.
it's a surreal experience, finding myself having sympathy for a group of people i normally wouldn't give the time of day.
in any case, i'm done there.
despite my reservations about working there, i understand, like many have you have stated, that not all cons are bad people. my last boss is an ex-felon, and we got along great, on and off the clock. he was a hard working man, and a decent man, despite his past mistakes. i also understand that the job market for guys with a record is pretty narrow, and that they get a lot of crap from people, and have to take it, if they want to stay out of prison.
i, however, do not.
as long as i've been able to work, i've never been talked to, or treated, with such disrespect by so-called professionals. as much as i hate my kids' dog, i would never treat him the way they treat people in that place. the only other job i've ever had where people were treated like such garbage was when i was a 17 year old cashier for D'Agostino's Supermarkets, in the Bronx.
it's a surreal experience, finding myself having sympathy for a group of people i normally wouldn't give the time of day.
in any case, i'm done there.
notorious
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Sorry to hear about the incompatibility situation. Oh well, at least you got out alive.
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and it seems you have a rare gift of being able/willing to look outside yourself at how things affect others. might wanna avoid construction jobs and some kitchens. they can be real bad too
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