My new shotgun

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I'd never pay the going rate for one of these (about a K bill at most places) but my local dealer was running them for $300 off during their spring clear out last week. I couldn't resist.

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Seems to be a standard upper, save for two diagonally drilled roll pin holes and a slot milled for a tab that engages a spring loaded ejector pin and rides in a recess milled in the BCG. Also appears to be a standard lower, save for the weird safety that goes SAFE-FIRE-SAFE. I was originally planning on selling the lower to recoup a couple of hundred bucks, but there's something charming about an AR lower marked 36 Cal. :)

The charging lever and forward assist buttons are both made of some type of composite plastic, as is the front sight/fake gas block. A big piston assembly can be seen under the carbine length hand guards. They also offer a model with rifle length hand guards.

The bolt carrier group is very interesting. In addition to the spring loaded ejector pin mentioned before, there is no carrier key. It appears the firing pin rides inside a spring. Comparing it to an older Olympic/Rhino 10mm upper I have, I find all the non-standard bits to the gas piston and BCG to be far superior in design, execution and function.

It's a very interesting little shooter. I had a few feeding problems, but I'm guessing I'm going to find there are flavors of 2-1/2" shells that simply don't want to feed as well as others.

Looks to me like a standard 20 round AR magazine could be used as-is to hold 10-12 shells, but I haven't tried yet. Reforming the feed lips a smidge would certainly allow one to work. I was able to load 15 shells in a 30 round AR mag, but the curvature was too great to allow them to feed correctly.

YMMV, but so far, I'd certainly recommend the gun for the fun factor alone.

I'm thinking I might replace the upper with a flat top version just for the heck of it. Cross drilling the pin holes for the ejector drive tab wouldn't be a problem, but milling a slight slot for it might present a challenge.

I hadn't shot an AR with a rifle stock in over 25 years. I'd guess I'd forgotten how natural feeling they are compared to M4 stocks with pointy edges and rails hanging every which way.


-Matt
 
I have to ask this...

what gauge is that :cuss: thing in?

Also if you are in full auto you better be one of those sumos weighing 600 pounds and have a butt 6 feet wide to absorb the load. I would fall down shooting that thing.
 
The UK actually allowed them before the US.

I have had little issues with mine and can't wait for dove season to annoy the heck out of the game and fish officers when they see you swinging a rifle at the doves. I have been using it for skeet with pretty good luck.

Try the remington nitro clay rounds for shot shells, they have worked great for me. Also I had to drill a small detent in the barrel to accept the retaining screw for the front sight which would work loose on occasion. I tried the AR mags and while they work the feed lip retainers need to be moved back as the 410 round is rimmed and hung up on the rifle mags feed lips.

There are lots of interesting things going on with ATI and this shotgun. They are in the process of making uppers for it in several calibers. I have been waiting for the "new" larger capacity magazines but they will not be available until the upper work is finished. I would think along with a 223 or 57 upper a 22lr upper would be very cool.
 
Just a quick update...

Just got back in from the farm. Took a few minutes to shoot this little guy for the third time. I'm still having the occasional feed problem. Except for Federal Personal Defense ammo, or whatever it's called. The shells appear just a smidge shorter, and so far they feed perfectly.

You can indeed load up a standard magazine (both 20 round and 30 round), but they will not work without modification. The follower in the supplied magazine holds the shell at about a ten degree angle. In a standard AR magazine, the shell is held horizontal. I'm confident a stock mag could be modified easily enough, though.

It's a fun shooter, that's for sure! And I didn't realize how light it is until I picked up my heavy barrel AR this afternoon.

-Matt
 
I have to say, I like ARs a lot more when they are not in 223/5.56, 6.5 Grendel, 6.8 SPC, 458 SOCOM, 50 Beowolf, Blah, blah.

That thing is flat out cool.
 
How many in the mag of those .410's

How fast can you dump entire mag?

Did you experience muzzle rise?

Was that forebarrel cooling active work? Or just decoration?

Gas recoil to load next shell?

What range would you consider fighting range for that ammuntion?

And finally a very stupid question. Those .410's bigger and harder hitting than the standard carbine ammo?
 
HOLY CRAP! $300?! for the whole unit!? I gotta get to Texas.

Too Cool, Matt. Almost zero practicality, but fun as hell I bet!

I didn't realize these are still made. What's the brand name?
 
> how many in the mag?

They say five, but 6 fit. The thing is, it seems to me like they could double stack if the magazine was designed to do so. As it is, there is a column of plastic molded into each side of the inside of the mag to keep the shells stacked one on top of the other. If it weren't there, capacity would go up by 50% or so.

Supposedly the importer is importing 10 rounders.

> how fast to dump an entire magazine?

However fast you can pull the trigger? :)

> forebarrel cooling

Huh? Not sure what you mean.

> gas recoil?

Nope, spring only, if I understand correctly. There's a big spring piston assembly looking thing in the hand guard. I haven't disassembled it yet, but I imagine there is no gas port in the barrel, as the front sight/gas block is plastic, err, composite.

The thing stays clean, I'll say that.

> fighting range

Depends on what you're fighting. They're standard (2-1/2" at that) .410 shotgun shells. Angry squirrels, skunks, opossums, snakes, etc. Menacing quail, duck and even pheasant, I suppose. Depending on how close you can sneak up on them. Barrel length is 20" and there is no choke, so past 25 yards, the pattern spreads out a bit.

Slugs are another story. Slugs are fun! Slugs are THE thing to use for angry and/or menacing watermelon!

> vs standard carbine ammo?

Kind of hard to compare. For a battle gun, you'd want .223, no question. For blasting snakes and rats at the farm, the thing sure is fun, though. It can also be shot without hearing protection, which just ain't gonna happen with a .223!

-Matt
 
Update

Just a quick update, for any who may be interested...

The upper does indeed appear to be a standard AR upper, as it snaps right onto the RRA lower that my .223 upper normally lives on. As I understand it, ATI will eventually be offering the 410 upper for those wishing to save a few bucks.

Interestingly, my RRA upper will not quite fit on the Safir lower. Looks like the slot milled in the lower for the rear take down pin wasn't extended back far enough, at least for this upper. It only lacks about a 1/16" inch, so I'm guessing a few minutes with a file would take care of it. (It might even be an issue of different corner radiusing on the takedown pin lugs.

-Matt
 
what is this brand/make name of gun, like AR-.410 lol ? if I go to a gun dealer I say I am looking for a AR-.410 he might be

Your dealer may not but I bet if you googled "AR15 410 shotgun" the first hit would give you the answer. To the OP congrats I like them and if they came in 12 Ga it may make me want to sell my Saiga.
 
> brand/model

It's a Safir Arms AT-14. Imported by American Tactical Imports. Linkie: http://www.americantactical.us/at14.html

> bump fire

I'd have to figure out to do it first. I guess I'd better find a 10 round mag first. Five in a row sure isn't gonna be too impressive.

I wonder if the thing will set off some of my home made Tannerite using a slug. That'd be a good ending for any bump fire video. :)

-Matt
 
...if they came in 12 Ga it may make me want to sell my Saiga

I don't think they ever will. Well, at least not with a mostly "standard" AR15 upper receiver. The goesinta and goesouta holes would be too small.


-Matt
 
And another quick update. Appearently they are going to be offering the upper assembly. They show it on their site as "coming soon."


-Matt
 
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