my opinion ON POINT to feminism and gun control

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Another thing: I think we (male pro-gun types) do alot of self inflicted damage with the "feminist" crowd.

How many "what gun to buy for a female" threads get started on THR? In many of them I see it implied that a female shooter isn't smart enough to use a semi-auto, or strong enough to shoot anything bigger than a .22LR. It's insulting. Wouldn't a "what gun should I buy for a male" thread be pretty stupid? So why is it that nobody feels that way about female shooters? I used to be guilty of this myself I think I've started one or two "what to get for the wife" threads but I've since learned the error or my ways...

Another thing I've seen alot of is guys making fun of a girl's choice in firearm. My wife carries a Glock 42. Not because she's madly in love with the .380 caliber, but because it FITS. She's short (5 foot 3 inch) and has small hands with short fingers. On larger caliber pistols or double stack pistols, her finger is literally not long enough to reach the trigger. So she has good reason for choosing this particular gun. Whenever we're in a gun shop or at an IDPA match (she shoots "bug" division) and somebody asks her "what gun is that?" or "what do you carry?" and she says "G42", 98% of the time a guy will react with something like "why don't you carry a real gun like a .45?" or "it will just make an attacker angry if you shoot them with that little gun".

A little background here: it's taken me YEARS to get her from "I've never shot a gun before in my life" to "I carry a gun every day". And every time I hear some guy make a stupid comment to discourage her, it takes every ounce of control I have to not punch him in the face. :fire:
 
David4516 said:
Here is an example of what I'm talking about. This is a great article about how difficult it can be for a lady new to shooting to buy her first gun.

http://www.corneredcat.com/article/choosing-firearms/gun-store-miss-adventures/

We the pro-2A community need to fix this, ASAP, before we can complain about feminists being antis...
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The good thing about being old is you get so you don't care about that stuff, if it's your turn it's your turn. A few minutes after I walked into the gun store/range for my lesson the other day, four huge guys came in together to rent guns also. I said jokingly "Wow, everybody here is a foot taller than me!", but I didn't shrink away or stop doing my own transaction. And I stood up for myself for which gun I wanted to use.
 
every real feminist i know, including myself is armed. i've even taught friends how to shoot. we all have anti rapist guns by our beds.
 
Hi! Old lady new shooter! This is 68 yr old x Drill sgt. From 72-80. Fired m-16 in the Army. Lived in Miami and realized a CCWwas necessary. Have taken classes and am quite comfortable with weapons. Wish more women posted as well. Would love to know what weapons they use. Be safe fire well! Thanks for your post.
 
David4516 said:
Another thing: I think we (male pro-gun types) do alot of self inflicted damage with the "feminist" crowd.

How many "what gun to buy for a female" threads get started on THR? In many of them I see it implied that a female shooter isn't smart enough to use a semi-auto, or strong enough to shoot anything bigger than a .22LR. It's insulting. Wouldn't a "what gun should I buy for a male" thread be pretty stupid? So why is it that nobody feels that way about female shooters? I used to be guilty of this myself I think I've started one or two "what to get for the wife" threads but I've since learned the error or my ways...

Another thing I've seen alot of is guys making fun of a girl's choice in firearm. My wife carries a Glock 42. Not because she's madly in love with the .380 caliber, but because it FITS. She's short (5 foot 3 inch) and has small hands with short fingers. On larger caliber pistols or double stack pistols, her finger is literally not long enough to reach the trigger. So she has good reason for choosing this particular gun. Whenever we're in a gun shop or at an IDPA match (she shoots "bug" division) and somebody asks her "what gun is that?" or "what do you carry?" and she says "G42", 98% of the time a guy will react with something like "why don't you carry a real gun like a .45?" or "it will just make an attacker angry if you shoot them with that little gun".

A little background here: it's taken me YEARS to get her from "I've never shot a gun before in my life" to "I carry a gun every day". And every time I hear some guy make a stupid comment to discourage her, it takes every ounce of control I have to not punch him in the face. :fire:
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Have her look into a Walther CCP; My step mom has one. i just got a look at it tonight, and it is perfect for her. She also is small (5'2"), and carried my Dad's SIG .380 before getting the Walther. The slide is very easy to rack, and it has a recoil-reducing gas-delayed blowback system (similar to the Steyr GB's) called Softcoil. Makes it very controllable. The only reason my Dad didn't get one for himself is his hands are too big for it. My hands fit (just barely); if I was shooping for a 9, it'd be a close second to the PT111G2. She keeps her Walther loaded with Remington Golden Saber 124's.

As for women and shooting; I am working towards rectifying the patterns of the past. I am a 4-H Shooting Sports Leader, and I am pleased to see that more girls are taking Archery and Rifle every year; We will finally start Shotgun this year, and with Trap becoming a popular High School competitive sport around here, I expect we'll have many girls trying shotgun this year.
 
old lady new shooter said:
..... but I didn't shrink away or stop doing my own transaction. And I stood up for myself for which gun I wanted to use.
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BRAVO! to you too

And Thank You.

Off topic.... I'm going to go see her; I havent in about 1.5 yrs. I'm so excited. I leave next weekend and I'm almost packed already. I've been her dad since she was 4 and a half.

Funny but related to this thread is that for a Christmas present when she was about 19 and still at home I gave her a set of tools. Basic hand tools that I picked out... complete with a pink apron I got from homedepot/lowes.

I told her she'll need them one day when she moves away. She 1/2 giggled, looked puzzled and stuck them in the closet.

About 6 months ago I called her - she had just moved into another place (She married an Army guy.)

I asked what she was doing....

She tells me... I'll never forget... she said "putting together a table with the tools my daddy gave me".

That's my girl. :D
 
David4516 said:
Here is an example of what I'm talking about. This is a great article about how difficult it can be for a lady new to shooting to buy her first gun.

http://www.corneredcat.com/article/choosing-firearms/gun-store-miss-adventures/

We the pro-2A community need to fix this, ASAP, before we can complain about feminists being antis...
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Repeat after me:

A gun doesn't care what kind of plumbing you have in your pants.

What does matter is #1 your willingness to practice. #2 your hands (how big/small your hands are how strong your grip strength is)
 
As a female one internalizes at an early age the sad realization that pretty much any male with bad intentions vis-à-vis oneself will unfortunately likely be able to carry them out, unless some other male is present who is willing and able to be the knight in shining armor, but regardless the female is always the damsel in distress. This is incredibly deforming to the psyche, and I think this deforming was part of the root cause of the whole feminist movement to begin with, no human wants to go through life feeling one-down out of the gate.
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I didn't want my daughter feeling this way in spite of the fact that we are a sexist culture. She started shooting her AR when she was 8 as folks who've been here a while have seen. She has a martial arts black belt as well as pointe shoes. She's the HS Climbing Team Captain and she's been in a national choral championship winning group. She's more capable and accomplished and well rounded than most of her male contemporaries and she doesn't consider herself to be at a disadvantage and those that have tried to start her at a disadvantage because she's a girl instead of a boy have found out right away that it was a mistake. While most girls, and boys and men and women, today are still part of the brianwashed majority that girls are somehow "less" than boys, there are more and more girls that reject the notion out of hand that they should be restricted in any way in what they can do. They are far more capable than society as a whole wants them to be and they're refusing to accept the status quo.

From time to time I teach women to shoot defensively. I try to get the LGS folks to train their counter staff to help the customer pick what fits them the best instead of trying for force "the little lady" to buy a "woman's pistol". This sexist garbage has been so common with sellers it is a meme and a topic of discussion here on THR. Everyone needs to realize we are our own worst enemies when it comes to treating women shooters as if they were somehow "other" than male shooters and that this condescending thinking does real harm to the pro 2A community. Inexperienced shooters need the same help starting out regardless of gender.
 
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Eleanor Roosevelt is a true icon of the left. Mrs. Roosevelt was also an avid handgun shooter who carried a revolver with her despite having Secret Service protection. There is a famous photo of her (I can't seem to find it right now) of her aiming and firing her revolver. Maybe someone with the ability to get media attention could use that photo with a caption saying something like "If it was good enough for Eleanor Roosevelt, it should be good enough for you!" or something like that.
 
vito said:
Eleanor Roosevelt is a true icon of the left. Mrs. Roosevelt was also an avid handgun shooter who carried a revolver with her despite having Secret Service protection. There is a famous photo of her (I can't seem to find it right now) of her aiming and firing her revolver. Maybe someone with the ability to get media attention could use that photo with a caption saying something like "If it was good enough for Eleanor Roosevelt, it should be good enough for you!" or something like that.
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Wow, excellent. I never heard that before. I have however always liked her famous quote "What other people think of me is none of my business."

I think if the photo can be found we can just all start sending it to our friends, at some point the media will see it.
 
"she said "putting together a table with the tools my daddy gave me".

That's my girl. "

Wonderful story. :)

And have a great trip. :)
 
Deanimator said:
I'm not sure that anything that advocates mandatory submission by women to sexual violence could be considered "feminism".

In response to the common sense assertion of the right of women to defend themselves from rape through the use of armed force, the response is often, "Teach men not to rape!"

Men are "taught" a LOT of things, including not to steal, set arson fires, commit murder and drive while impaired. What if the "lesson" doesn't take? Apparently that imposes upon women a duty to do things like vomit, urinate and defecate on THEMSELVES in an attempt to protect the RAPIST from harm.

Likewise, it's asserted that a 110lb. woman can go toe to toe with a 210lb. rapist, but she can't (or more disgustingly, WON'T) shoot that same rapist rather than LET him take her gun.

Of course then you have the bottom feeders who explicitly espouse the mental and moral INFERIORITY of women which supposedly makes them incapable of defending themselves with a gun. Many years ago in usenet, an Englishman told me that women shouldn't be allowed to carry guns because he was "afraid of being 'mistaken' for a rapist and shot". I replied to him, "Put down that butcher knife, pull up your pants, and you should be just fine."

The bottom line is that you're going to take the side of the rapist or the rape victim. Pick ONE.

The simple fact is that the hard core of the anti-gun movement would prefer a woman to be beaten, raped and murdered than for her to defend herself with a firearm. That fact needs to be hammered home at EVERY opportunity.
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There are also two TACTICAL problems with the "pee on yourself" argument:
1. Rape is not really about sex, it's about domination. A rapist might get even more enthusiastic if he interprets the woman wetting her pants as being fear of him.
2. What if BG's intention isn't rape at all, he's into torture and murder?
 
Greek gal said:
Hi! Old lady new shooter! This is 68 yr old x Drill sgt. From 72-80. Fired m-16 in the Army. Lived in Miami and realized a CCWwas necessary. Have taken classes and am quite comfortable with weapons. Wish more women posted as well. Would love to know what weapons they use. Be safe fire well! Thanks for your post.
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Welcome! :)

And I'm very impressed by your c.v., back in those days none of this would have occurred to me.
 
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