My pocket gun saga continues...looked into Kahr..why so expensive???

[romma]

All I can say is, I have a PM9 on my side right now.

I got the stainless slide edition. for $525 back a few years ago. And it is a sweet shooter, and practical for concealment.

I also have a KelTec P32 that I used to carry alot, but now it is for the times I can't carry the PM9 or my Walther PPK/S.

 

[jocko]

pm9 12,000

Today my pm9 hit the 12,000 round mark. zero issues since taking it out of the box. Oh yea, I will pay $525 for that kind of performance any day.

 

[jocko]

jeepmor

not to many similar form factory rther models out there in the kahr size and quality. Bersa makes a nice gun, alot heavier, bigger and lower in price, glocks as usual are all good but none in the kahr size and weight. My pm9 weight 14 ounces, the pm45 about 17 ounces, just not to many other factory other models out there IMO. Just depends what you want. If everyone felt that kahrs were overpriced and therefore refused to buy um,kahr would have to either go out of business and or lower prices. Evidently that is not the case for kahrs are selling very well, and the cw series kahrs beng even lower in price are selling like hotcakes. expecially the CW9 and CW45. Kahr ain't the only good gun out there, we all know that. I was never a Sig man, but they sure are great guns, same thing for H&K

Why should an all stainless kahr be any lower in price than a Sig blued or HK blued??

 

[jocko]

romma

my pm9 rides with me 24/7 front pocket. If I can get my son to do some picture taking, I will post my pm9 after getting some serious mods done to it by cylinder and slide. What a hell of a fightin gun it is now. I just love to shoot it and must admit I shoot the k9 better (far better),must be the overall weight and barrel length to. That k9 series is just one awsome handgun...

 

[Lashlarue]

Never heard the Moon BS, before but there too many high quality auto pistols for less money, and I did make the mistake of buying an Auto-ordnance Thompson 45acp Tommy gun replica from those people, the absolutely worst gun I have ever purchased. also the most expensive.That experience alone would keep me from buying anything with the Kahr name attached.

 

[1KPerDay]

Those of you who carry PM9 in pocket, what holster do you use? Is it really pocket sized? The forthcoming 380 looks the ticket, but the PM9 seems a bit large to me...

Do you have to wear loose-fitting pants with big pockets or anything?

 

[DAdams]

PM9

I paid $525 with the DLC finish two years ago.

Material costs, metals and plastics have gone up each year and prices are typically adjusted quarterly by many manufacturers.

BTW there is no other form factor that equals the Kahr for the money, quality size and weight. The only thing that comes close is the Rohrbaugh and you will pay closer to $900, and it doesn't shoot as nice as the Kahr.

I just paid much more for a Seecamp .380. and their order backlog is one year if ordered directly from the factory.



I carry mine in a DeSantis Nemesis in my pants pocket. If that doesn't conceal well I switch to a J Frame. If that is too much I carry the Seecamp.

 

[jocko]

nice photo

damn nice photo.... I paid the same price over a year ago $525 out the door,later on installed xs 24/7 tritium big dot nite sites. love the gun, goes bang every time, very concealable IMO. One of the nicest handguns I have ever owned. can't wait tilll the P380 kahr hits the shelves. Have no idea why I want one as it will not replace my pm9 but will replace my lcp, which has also been flawless for 700 rounds. For the money the Ruger lcp has it day and nite over the kt 380 IMO.

 

[DAdams]

Comparison Shots

Here are some others worth considering, but for various reasons don't stand up to the PM 9.



KT PF 9, Walther PPS, and PM 9.







PM 9 vs M&P 340 AKA J Frame DAO.



PM 9 Vs Rohrbaugh.

can't wait tilll the P380 kahr hits the shelves.

I got that out of my system with the Seecamp .380.



Seecamp Vs J Frame.

Ghost Shots Compliments of PBP.

 

[Phydeaux642]

check out that new p380 looks like its going to be the new king of pocket pistols

I thought that was the Ruger LCP.

 

[Rustynuts]

I think it's Moonies son that runs the show. Not sure if the church ultimately owns it, or if the son even subscribes to the doctrine. Doesn't really matter to me, these guns are far and above in quality over Keltec or Bersa (I own all three makes). Most Kahrs should be in the $500-$700 realistically. That's not to say Keltec or Bersa aren't serviceable, and their price point is attractive, just that the Kahrs are better made.

 

[Guns and more]

They say the P380 will be out in June. I wanted to look at a Ruger LCP but they seem to be sold out everywhere. The P380 looks to be a little nicer version, I'd like to hold one before I plop my cash down.

 

[Joe the Redneck]

First, if the UC stuff is true, it ain't hype. Some folks won't buy from S&W or Ruger because of the deals they made. It's your money, you have every right to give it to whom ever you wish.

In point of fact, Glock is not owned by any Nazi. Let's not joke about that scum. It ain't funny and not something to be implyed lightly.

All that being said, if the Kahr is what you want, buy it. Personally, I just don't pay that much for any gun, but if that is what will suit your needs, just buy it. Otherwise you will end up owning a three or four cheaper guns trying to get what you want. In the end it will cost more money.

Summer is coming, people lose their jobs and pawn their guns. Look around and see if you can find a nice second hand model. That way you will save some coin and "you money" will just go to the shop owner.

JTR

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

Those of you who carry PM9 in pocket, what holster do you use? Is it really pocket sized?

Mika pocket holster. The PM9 is about the same size as a snubnose revolver - in fact actually thinner and flatter as it has no cylinder bulge. People carry those in pockets all the time.

Do you have to wear loose-fitting pants with big pockets or anything?

It carries well in the pockets of most casual slacks, cargo pants and relaxed-fit jeans. Regular or slim-fit jeans pockets are too tight. It still fits but is difficult to draw from these pockets. Too, it does not completely "disappear." There is a slight bulge in the pocket, but with a holster to break up the outline, it does not suggest that a gun is in there. Think in terms of being unobtrusive and not no hint whatsoever. And don't be afraid to select clothing with CCW in mind. Somewhere, I'm sure I get odd looks when I shop for pants and check the depth of the pockets.

 

[jocko]

mike holster

had one for my kt 380 and it was a dandy, but in allhonesty after I got a Desantis nemesis, I was sold on it. sold the mika, but he does make great stuff, so I ain't knocking him either. Have a desantis for my lcp and my pm9 kahr..

 

[jocko]

joe the redneck.

thanks for clearing that up. I felt it was also false . People tend to read somethings on the internet and take them as gospel. I have never read where kahr was a subsidary of the UC, but again was not looking for it either. Personally don't care either. great guns, if moon turns u off, so be it, Can't please everyone. Lot os people got pissed off at Ruger some time back for his weird gun stance, Again , thats OK with me. Everyone has a reason for doing most things. There are some so vindictive towards Ruger with the copying of the lcp 380 that if they had their way, Ruger would cease to exist. Some feel that way towards moon and kahr, let alone if they care if efveryone lost their job, and another good Amercan made product bites the dust. oh well time to watch the Indiana election results...

 

[DAdams]

Trouser Press

Somewhere, I'm sure I get odd looks when I shop for pants and check the depth of the pockets.

That's why I only buy my chinos at Gander Mountain. Or Eddie Bow Wow. Who knows how much crap is going in all those pockets and what it is all about.

Columbia makes the Lander model pant that is great for carry, with a seperate zippered pocket behind the normal one. Gander carries them or you can track them down on-line.

I haven't bought a Mika for my PM 9 yet.. I just tried the J Frame Mika round cut and it is a pretty good fit. I know the De Santis Nemesis I purchased specifically for the 9 works well with a J Frame.



PM 9 in a DeSantis Nemesis, 642 in a Mika Roundcut.

 

[1KPerDay]

Anyone tried the new DeSantis SuperFly?

I was wondering if the nemesis wouldn't conceal the profile of the gun like some of the leather styles I've seen with a square panel against the outside of the pocket... this looks cool.

http://www.desantisholster.com/m44.html

 

[mr.72]

CW9 is a lot bigger than a PM9. Both are real nice guns.

I'd like to know where you can get a CW9 for $350 or less. Lowest price I have seen is $399. IMHO that's still a very good deal. If I could find one for under $350 I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

 

[Rugerlvr]

I'm gonna seriously look at the LCP when I get my permit.

 

[buzz_knox]

In point of fact, Glock is not owned by any Nazi. Let's not joke about that scum. It ain't funny and not something to be implyed lightly.

He was apparently part of the Hitler Jugend. Of course, since membership was compulsory after 1936 (when Herr Glock as 7), it's kind of hard to criticize him for being a member.

 

[eric.cartman]

$640 for Kahr PM9 Blued at my local dealer.

www.guntechinc.com

 

[Marshall]

I'll never buy a Kahr. Too expensive for the gun you get and the ownership is a deal breaker for me.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Why are Kahrs so expensive? Are they better made and more reliable than Glocks? XDs? M&Ps?

Yes, yes, and yes on the steel Kahrs. That's an easy one. Yes, meh, and meh on the plastic Kahrs.

BUT, they ARE a little too expensive if you ask me. Not by much, but a little. I cannot understand for the life of me why my brand new full retail price Kahr MK9 - 9093 BOX model was only $389 plus tax a few years ago, and yet the same gun in stainless steel sells for around $700. I feel like I got a steal on the BOX one, but I think the stainless ones should be a lower price. I actually prefer the BOX one - it is more stealthy and the finish is pretty much impervious to corrosion. Unfortunately, I believe the BOX ones have been discontinued. Kahr should re-introduce the BOX models, and RAISE the prices on them significantly (they will still sell), but lower the prices a smidge on the stainless ones, and lower the prices quite a bit on the plastic models.

But on the whole, they are very very high quality guns. I am contemplating getting the new tiny .380 plastic one for pocket carry.

I think ALL the nines are too big for pocket carry (for ME), including the smallest one, the Rohrbaugh. To be comfy and not print badly in jeans front pockets, gotta go with one of the .380s (KelTec, Kahr, Seecamp, Autauga, NAA).

J frame revos definitely do not cut it for pocket carry - that cylinder looks like you have a rat in your pocket.

 

[Johannes_Paulsen]

"Fund the moonies"

As previously stated, AMERICAN made, AMERICAN jobs, good to excellent quality. If that doesn't say it all - - it should.

x2.

True, Justin Moon started the company with money from his father (who is the head of the Unification Church). I do not subscribe to their religion at all. But they are both supporters of the right to keep and bear arms. Which is a lot more than can be said for many other businesspeople and religious leaders in this country.

Those who call them "fascist" are simply betraying their own ignorance. I'm not aware of any fascist program that calls for guaranteeing the people the right to bear arms.

Regarding the guns themselves, I own an MK9 and can confirm that the MSRP is way higher than actual selling price (I purchased mine brand-new from Ace Sporting Goods in Washington, Pa. for $600.00 last year.) It's a very nicely concealable pistol, but it is a little heavy. If your primary mode of carry is going to be front pocket, make sure you examine one and handle it before buying it.

I originally intended to carry it in my front pocket, but lately have found that carrying it on the hip under a covering garment, or in a jacket pocket is far more comfortable. (Or carrying it in the back pocket if you have oversized pockets.) Front pocket carry is definitely doable, just not as comfortable.