My recent encounter with a gun "expert"

[Kimber1911_06238]

So a new Cabela's store opened here in CT. I took a trip there today to buy some reloading supplies with a gift card I received. While I was there I decided to look at a few handguns.

So I took my number (I don't like the deli-style gun counter there) and waited. I get a salesman and ask if I can see a Springfield Armory EMP 9mm. He shows it to me and starts lecturing me on how a 9mm isn't that great for self defense. I just nod, he starts telling me how 9mm pistols have larger capacities. I nod, then he starts telling me that you really need a larger capacity because a 9mm will only piss someone off. He then tells me that he has a .40 S&W glock and that a .40 will knock someone down on the first shot. He said it was much better than a 9mm because you will have to empty the clip into anyone to stop them, but a .40 will do the job with one shot.

I ask him where he got this info and he tells me that it's common knowledge and that he know a lot about guns, that's why he's working there.

Needless to say I won't be buying guns from cabela's....their prices are $40 more than any local shops and their staff is less than half as knowledgeable.

Rant over.

 

[AZ_Rebel]

Ahhhh.... The Expert....

Expert......
"X" is an unknown quantity....
"Spurt" is a drip under pressure....
You run into them all too often!:banghead:

 

[yesit'sloaded]

You didn't know? A 9mm is a .45 set on stun.

 

[Geronimo45]

And the reason the 9mms hold more ammo is 'cause you need 15 9mms to get the effect of 7 .45s.

 

[cog099]

ditto

I still shop at Cabela's but I did hear a clerk at the Cabela's in Buda, TX tell someone that the S&W Sigma WILL fire if it is dropped.

I was going to buy a SA Milspec Stainless and asked to dryfire it one time to feel the trigger. I had already told him I wanted it. The salesman said that it would break the pistol! Well I informed him that I would not pay over $600 for a pistol that would break if it was accidentaly dry fired.(I know that is not the case).

What really got me ticked was walking by later and seeing some Mall Ninja Cabela's employee dryfiring the heck out of one of the Para 1911's

 

[Heavy Metal Hero]

And the reason the 9mms hold more ammo is 'cause you need 15 9mms to get the effect of 7 .45s.

And yet the cost is the same.

 

[MKEITH]

How many .45s does it take to get the effect of one .500 S&W magnum?

 

[realityscope]

So a 9mm between the eyes at 3 to 7 yards will only "piss someone off"...bet he wouldnt be willing to test that theory

 

[ArfinGreebly]

Buncha Losers

You guys.

Everyone knows you need an .88 magnum for real stopping power.

It shoots through schools.

 

[Heavy Metal Hero]

It shoots through schools.

So? .50 caliber BP rifles can shoot down planes.

 

[jad0110]

I almost laughed the first time I heard something like that from a gunshop employee. Something to the effect of "shooting a badguy COM with a 9 mm a dozen times will only make him mad, but if hit the same BG in the shoulder with a .45 it will spin him around 180 and throw him into the ground, face first!" . I was waiting for him to add, "and you can hit a man in the thumb with a 44 Mag and it will tear his arm off and throw him back 50 feet".

 

[yesit'sloaded]

So there I was, all ghillied up hiding in a rack at the GAP, when my mark approached. He had just shoplifted from Hot Topic like the rest of his terrorist friends do. I knew this was my one chance to protect my mall from being overrun from their scum. I flipped up the Butler Creek caps on my .338 Sniper rifle that was glass bedded by magical elves in New Swabenland. I leaned into the McMillan stock and gazed through my Nightforce. I centered the crosshairs on the perps back and adjusted for windage (the mall's HVAC is very powerful and produces bad crosswinds, especially by the food court). I was squeezing down to let loose a shot when my tactical response radio communication device with multiple channels alerted me to a more serious situation. There was a double parker in the East parking lot. I had to go NOW!! I packed up the weapon and fast roped down to the ground level. I then ran to the vehicle bay where the tactical mall response vehicles are hidden and left to address the new threat.

 

[Neo-Luddite]

Needless to say I won't be buying guns from cabela's.

Yeh, but it's a 'destination' store anyway--a place to recreationally shop and have a mini vacation. It's like going to Wall Drug, only with many locations on the map. Lots to look at, and you might find some trinket you want, or a box of high cost ammo. The one in Prarie Du Chien has many cool mounts and an indoor animatronic 'shooting' gallery for the kids.

 

[Crunker1337]

If it will take a whole magazine of 9mm to take down an aggressor, a lone .40S&W shot will not do it.

 

[yesit'sloaded]

I completed my mission and returned to base. Base let me know that due to my efforts the mall was now safe forever. They no longer needed my services. I decided to get a new position as the weapons officer at the local Cabela's. My first day on the job some idiot wanted to look at a 9mm pistol!! Of all things. I told him the truth about that sissy gun and suggested he get a real man's weapon like my uber cool Glock in the powerful .40 S&W round.

 

[jad0110]

So there I was, all ghillied up hiding in a rack at the GAP, when my mark approached. He had just shoplifted from Hot Topic like the rest of his terrorist friends do. I knew this was my one chance to protect my mall from being overrun from their scum. I flipped up the Butler Creek caps on my .338 Sniper rifle that was glass bedded by magical elves in New Swabenland. I leaned into the McMillan stock and gazed through my Nightforce. I centered the crosshairs on the perps back and adjusted for windage (the mall's HVAC is very powerful and produces bad crosswinds, especially by the food court). I was squeezing down to let loose a shot when my tactical response radio communication device with multiple channels alerted me to a more serious situation. There was a double parker in the East parking lot. I had to go NOW!! I packed up the weapon and fast roped down to the ground level. I then ran to the vehicle bay where the tactical mall response vehicles are hidden and left to address the new threat.

I completed my mission and returned to base. Base let me know that due to my efforts the mall was now safe forever. They no longer needed my services. I decided to get a new position as the weapons officer at the local Cabela's. My first day on the job some idiot wanted to look at a 9mm pistol!! Of all things. I told him the truth about that sissy gun and suggested he get a real man's weapon like my uber cool Glock in the powerful .40 S&W round.

Gecko45, is that you?

Ha ha, you may want to tone it down a bit ... I just about peed my pants!

 

[BridgeWalker]

Proposed response:

"I like making them mad. Makes it more fun to tear their arms off with my teeth."

 

[Wildfire]

Funny

Hey this is funny.
But I know what you mean, Their experts are usually some older guy that cant get a real job or some college kid that claims to be a hunter. One look at them and you can see they are still wet behind the ears.
I carry a Kimber Ultra Carry in .45 acp. But a .22 subsonic in the face would stop most any attacker. Put it between the legs and you got em right where you want them, on their knee's. Use what you shoot well with. I buy from the little guy so they stay in business.

 

[LkWinnipesaukee]

Come on guys!

When an employee says something like that to you, you're supposed to tell them how you used to be an ex-SEAL, and that you've shot dead SEVERAL BGs with a single 9mm......

 

[yesit'sloaded]

You will never know when the Gecko will strike, because it changes color to match the environment.

 

[tnieto2004]

I had a "Ex-CIA" agent tell me that he watched a man get shot with 10 rounds of 9mm and he kept fighting (And lived) but anytime he has seen someone shot with a .45 they dropped in one shot..

 

[Geronimo45]

Threads like this make me think that I should, for the good of humanity, volunteer to be a gunshop expert:

"What you have there is a Glock. It has mechanical safeties and no manual safeties. No, it is not the safest gun ever made. That would be the Steyr 1907, the truest single-action automatic ever made." (you had to manually cock the thing after every shot, IIRC - like a SA revolver)
"No matter how much money you spend on your 1911, you will still be able to find a Nagant revolver for less than your holster cost that is more reliable."
"This is the Springfield Armory XD. Hype aside, it is simply the love-child of a 1911-Glock relationship."
"S&W M&P. See above, with a nose job."

I'd be lucky to last half a day.

 

[f4t9r]

I like the guys that think because they work at a gun shop they automatic become Experts. They can tell you everything, thank goodness we have these people to enlighten us

 

[goon]

Just to give anyone who doubts an idea about my experience with "stopping power"...
I used to shoot at steel silouhette targets at an NRA BP range. When they weren't having competitions they would let people shoot their rifles at them. I used to knock them over out to 400 yards with an M-39 Mosin Nagant 7.62x54mm.
The 7.62x54 is about equivalent to a .30'06. It didn't have the "power" to knock a measly 40 pound steel target back into the weeds eventhough the target was taking pretty much the full impact of a 148 grain bullet at close to 3,000 FPS.
Even if a person took the full energy of a JSP bullet and there was no exit wound from the 7.62, it still wouldn't have the power to pick them up and set them down somewhere else.
I tried out some 12 gauge rounds on some peices of a tree trunk once. Each weighed about 25 pounds and they stopped a full power 12 gauge load at 20 yards, taking the full impact. They were knocked over, but again, they were not thrown somewhere else.
I have also seen demonstrations of a guy standing on one foot and taking double taps from a FAL to demonstrate how effective bulletproof his vests are. He was not lifted off his feet. He just stood there.

The .45 ACP, .40, 9mm, .357, and even the .44 magnum are quite anemic compared to a mosin nagant or FAL.
It doesn't really matter which one you use. Arguing about them is like saying "my butter knife is sharper than yours, so ha!".
It's just kind of pointless.

 

[lanternlad1]

The Germans killed plenty with the 9mm in WWII.

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(This is the part where someone pipes up with... "Yeah, but the Germans LOST! What did the guys who beat them use?! .45 acp, that's what!")