My slide zigged instead of zagged!!!!

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  1. Pure Kustom

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    A picture is worth a 1000 words.................I should have taken a picture of my chin:eek:
     
  2. PTK

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    Ow. Glad you're okay.

    I think that'll be covered by the warantee... :D
     
  3. Code3GT

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    nice clean break!
     
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    Circumstances?

    Ammo?

    Clamp-on doo-dad restricting slide movement?

    A few less than 1000 words will do.
     
  5. Pure Kustom

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    Thanks, I am ok, just was stunned. Shooting over there and getting hit over here :eek:, Can do that!!! I already talked to S&W. It should be in the mail by Monday.

    I just inspected and cleaned it. 100 rounds before this happened. Had about 6000 rounds through it total.



    Broke in two, factory design flaw

    Federal bulk pack

    Factory bridge, and no

    Was that enough? :D
     
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    Were there any warnings? Stiffer and stiffer slide movement?

    Any evidence of cracking when you cleaned it?
     
  7. Pure Kustom

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    No, It was working fine. Until the slide came back and hit me in the face. I didn't see any cracks , When I cleaned it. Because I never would have shot it. If there was any. I was unaware. That Walther p22's had a problem with the slide breaking. You can google "p22 slide breakage" there are some other instances on there.
     
  8. PTK

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    Yep. P22 is a gun I refuse to buy, no matter how great of a host it would be for my silencers.
     
  9. Pure Kustom

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    I still like them. It is a fun gun to shoot!! DA!!! Hopefully they have fixed the problem. But you can bet I will be looking it over really good from now on.
     
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    ...aaaaaaaand another reason why I wear shooting glasses.
     
  11. AlexM105

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    How old is that P22 and does that happen on the P99 too?
     
  12. Pure Kustom

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    LOL YEAH ME TO!!!!

    Less than a year. But I shoot alot!! I think it is only the P22's
     
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    I have never heard of this happening to a P99, but it seems to be a somewhat common problem with the P22s.

    Sorry, dude. Hopefully they'll make it right for you.
     
  14. Disaster

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    This kind of thing will always be a risk with guns that have cheap cast zinc alloy slides (aka potmetal), like the P22 and the Sig Mosquito and is one reason I'd never consider buying one.

    http://home.cogeco.ca/~wayne_storage2/WALTHERP22_CRACKED_SLIDE.html

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    "The P22 features a cast polymer grip-frame. Its slide and serial numbered frame receiver inserts are made from MIM (Metal Injection Molding) cast zinc alloy..."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walther_P22

    "...it has a tendency to bend, distort, crack, shatter, and pit with age.[1] The low boiling point of zinc and the fast cooling of the newly-cast part often allow air bubbles to remain within the cast part, weakening the metal."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pot_metal
     
  15. Crow1108

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    Wow...glad you are okay. They should be able to cover it under warranty.

    On the bright side, with .22s, the manufacturer can't blame you for using reloads.
     
  16. atblis

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    The P22 and P99 look similar but are utterly different guns. Walther doesn't even make the P22. It's made by Umarex.

    The P99 also doesn't have a cast zinc slide. That seems to help.

    The slide failures on the P22 (there have been several reported) do seem to be much more common on the fake compensator model.

    EDIT: I should add that Zinc alloys and casting have improved. They don't suck as bad as they used to, but they still suck.
     
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    Yup, always seems to be at the same place for the P22. Right in line with the front sight hole where the slide is the weakest. Just waiting for mine to break.
     
  18. Pure Kustom

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    Thanks, I think they will.

    Thanks for the links. Disaster

    Thanks Crow 1108, LMAO!!! Yeah they can't!!!

    Thanks atblis, I was thinking that but the compensator. Does change anything to the slide. I think it is just the pot metal and the sight hole:eek: lol

    I hope they are stronger now. But I will be checking it all the time now!!!!

    I got is covered next time it breaks!!!!

    The new Walther p22 shooting glasses!!! and if you want full protection.
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    The walther p22 shooting suit!!!

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  19. atblis

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    Actually, every single broken P22 slide I've seen has been on the fake compensator models.
     
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    "The P22 features a cast polymer grip-frame. Its slide and serial numbered frame receiver inserts are made from MIM (Metal Injection Molding) cast zinc alloy..."

    If I understand MIM correctly then it can't be "cast" zinc since metal used in MIM parts never reaches melting point, even during sintering. It's injected as a powder and then sintered to expel the binders and bind the metal.
     
  21. atblis

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    I believe that's from Wikipedia. Need I say more?
     
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    my girl friend has one that a hammer spring broke on about 1 yr old.they fixed it for free.other than that,its been great.she has the regular model.
     
  23. Disaster

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    You are right. It is a sintered metal process, where powdered metal is put in a die and then high pressure is applied. Because of the inherent nature of the process, voids are left...porosity. Zinc alloys are more brittle to begin with, porosity makes it worse.

    http://www.epma.com/rv_pm/PM%20Process/6.%20MIM/1.%20MIM%20Menu.htm

    "After sintering densities of 95% or more are reached and the mechanical properties are, for that reason, generally superior to those of traditional PM parts."

    Note: That still leaves 5% voids which reduce the strength of the part vs. a traditional casting and especially vs. a forging.
     
  24. Gun Slinger

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    Sorry to see that your slide fractured and I hope that S&W will make it right for you. This phenomena is prevalent in the 4.3" models with the "faux" compensator muzzle attachment and if you check over at rimfirecentral.com there are quite a few well documented examples of this occurring.

    After learning that the slides were nothing more than a "sintered" zinc alloy ("pot metal") I got rid of mine not only for that lousy quality, but for the atrocious trigger pull and its "less than stellar reliability" (mine choked hard about once every 10-15 rounds).

    I figure for the quality that I saw and the trouble that I went through with my now departed P-22, if I really wanted a gun made of "pot metal" I could go out and pick-up a used Jennings J-22 for $45-$50 and get a more durable and higher quality gun for such an effort without the necessity of parting with 300+ Dollars for the pleasure.
     
  25. Aka Zero

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    Mine has been almost 100% put 1k+ rounds through it in about 1 month. Had a 100 round break in where it was a little stiff, after that it was running great.

    Then I got a bad batch of federal bulk. Won't fully cycle the slide. Goes 80% back on some shots, ejecting, but not chambering a round, or not ejecting at all. and double feeding. Bought some more from the same walmart, same deal. Even had a round that failed to cycle my new mark III..... But it's 22, I go through it fast enough. Got the Mark III friday, shot 1k rounds since then though the p-22 and MKIII. Only wish I had the money to shoot 9mm like that.

    But I like the gun in general, slide guns are fun.... but I would trade it for something in the buckmark/ hunstman / woodsman, area. Just because I like the styling of those. In hindsight, for the money I should have bought a CZ kadet kit.... so I could have shot my "9mm" more...
     
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