My Three Line Rifle
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Panzerschwein
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True, IF the interrupter isn't worn. I've had a few over the years that were so just got into the habit of staggering the cartridges to prevent rimlock.
The Germans thought the Russians would surrender. That was the plan, to take over the vast resources of the Russian empire, which Germany
very desperately needed, to continue growing, at the time. Had they annexed Russia easily, they could have continued unfettered production,
in Russian territory factories, far out of range from our bombers.
Shanghai McCoy
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I would have thought that they would have been more common. What with the Soviets being so "left wing"...
Driftertank
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I have an fairly pristine M44, 1947 dated, don't remember the armory. Clean, bright bore, about 90% finish. Think it was arsenal restocked, since the number on the buttplate doesn't match the number on everything else on the rifle. Got it for $79 at Big5 Sporting Goods about 12-15 years ago. Shoots decently.
Had a co-worker a few years back who had an M38 he'd bought cheap. He bubba'ed it up, cutting down and painting the stock, cutting the bolt handle off and drilling for one of those turned bolts, adding a scope and a bipod. When another co-worker became interested in finding a Mosin like mine after going to the range with me, and we realized that prices on decent Russian M44s was getting up over $200, and M38s were getting really hard to find, the first coworker kicked himself pretty hard for boogering up his. Lol
Had a co-worker a few years back who had an M38 he'd bought cheap. He bubba'ed it up, cutting down and painting the stock, cutting the bolt handle off and drilling for one of those turned bolts, adding a scope and a bipod. When another co-worker became interested in finding a Mosin like mine after going to the range with me, and we realized that prices on decent Russian M44s was getting up over $200, and M38s were getting really hard to find, the first coworker kicked himself pretty hard for boogering up his. Lol
Sistema1927
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I really think that Hitler grossly misjudged the determination of both the Soviets and the British. The easy capitulation of other European nations early in the war gave him reason to think that others would be a push over, but thankfully that was not the case. I would hate to think how bad things would have been for the USA had Russia surrendered and Britain fallen. I don't know that we would have seen a "Man in the High Tower" result, but it would have been far more costly to obtain victory, and there might have been an exchange of atomic bombs.
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Another common problem is the secondary spring in the magazine. For the interruptor to function, that spring must lift the noses of the cartridges. Funnily enough it's impossible to find anymore (although you can get a whole bottom assembly). Out of stock everywhere from Numrich to eBay. Some people in Russia even go as far as anneal the original one, bend it a bit more, then re-temper it.
chicharrones
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GunnyUSMC
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Do you have more pics and schematics for that?
If you're serious, here's a link to the page that's selling them: https://gun.deals/product/left-handed-mosin-conversion-kit-1495
lysanderxiii
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Just to put things in perspective:
Germany might have been able to deal with the Soviet Union alone, had they not involved Great Britain and the US, and mobilized their industry earlier than 1943. Most people don't realize that Germany did not go into full wartime scale, 24 hour production, until about the third quarter of 1942. If you look at the production figures for Germany and the Soviet Union between 1940 and 1945, you will see that in 1943 and 1944, the only two full years of production under full around the clock schedule, at least materially, Germany was able to keep pace with the Soviet Union. And even with the late start, kept up fairly well, overall*. And, this does not factor in any production disruption cause by allied bombing which would not have taken place if the U.S. and Britain were not involved.
People that think the Soviet Union could have dealt with Nazi Germany alone are not being totally realistic.
Germany
Rifle production (in thousands):
1940 - 1,352
1941 - 1,359
1942 - 1,370
1943 - 2,275
1944 - 2,856
1945 - 665
Total - 9,877
Machine gun production
1940 - 119
1941 - 325
1942 - 232
1943 - 234
1944 - 229
1945 - 78
Total - 1,156
Artillery (not incl mortars)
1940 - 6
1941 - 22
1942 - 41
1943 - 74
1944 - 148
1945 - 27
Total - 318
Tank and SPG production
1940 - 2.2
1941 - 3.8
1942 - 232
1943 - 6.2
1944 - 19.3
1945 - 4.4
Total - 45.6
Combat aircraft
1940 - 6.6
1941 - 8.4
1942 - 11.6
1943 - 19.3
1944 - 34.1
1945 - 7.2
Total - 87.2
Soviet Union
Rifle production (in thousands):
1940 - 1,462
1941 - 2,421
1942 - 4,049
1943 - 3,438
1944 - 2,451
1945 - 703
Total - 14,524
Machine gun production
1940 - 96
1941 - 149
1942 - 356
1943 - 458
1944 - 439
1945 - 109
Total - 1,608
Artillery (not incl mortars)
1940 - 15
1941 - 41
1942 - 128
1943 - 130
1944 - 122
1945 - 77
Total - 514
Tank and SPG production
1940 - 2.8
1941 - 6.6
1942 - 24.7
1943 - 24
1944 - 29
1945 - 22.6
Total - 109.7
Combat aircraft
1940 - 8.3
1941 - 12.4
1942 - 21.7
1943 - 29.9
1944 - 33.2
1945 - 20.9
Total - 126.4
Ratio of Soviet production to German production:
Rifle production (in thousands):
1940 - 1.1
1941 - 1.8
1942 - 3.0
1943 - 1.5
1944 - 0.9
1945 - 1.1
Total - 1.5
Machine gun production
1940 - 1.6
1941 - 1.5
1942 - 3.0
1943 - 1.7
1944 - 0.9
1945 - 1.0
Total - 1.4
Artillery (not incl mortars)
1940 - 2.4
1941 - 1.8
1942 - 3.0
1943 - 1.7
1944 - 0.9
1945 - 1.0
Total - 1.4
Tank and SPG production
1940 - 1.3
1941 - 1.7
1942 - 4.0
1943 - 2.2
1944 - 1.6
1945 - 5.1
Total - 2.4
Combat aircraft
1940 - 1.3
1941 - 1.5
1942 - 1.9
1943 - 1.5
1944 - 1.0
1945 - 2.9
Total - 1.4
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* With the exception of tanks, but that is a bit skewed by the 22,000 tanks the Soviet Union produced in 1945, compared to the 4,400 the Germans produced the first four months of 1945.
Germany might have been able to deal with the Soviet Union alone, had they not involved Great Britain and the US, and mobilized their industry earlier than 1943. Most people don't realize that Germany did not go into full wartime scale, 24 hour production, until about the third quarter of 1942. If you look at the production figures for Germany and the Soviet Union between 1940 and 1945, you will see that in 1943 and 1944, the only two full years of production under full around the clock schedule, at least materially, Germany was able to keep pace with the Soviet Union. And even with the late start, kept up fairly well, overall*. And, this does not factor in any production disruption cause by allied bombing which would not have taken place if the U.S. and Britain were not involved.
People that think the Soviet Union could have dealt with Nazi Germany alone are not being totally realistic.
Germany
Rifle production (in thousands):
1940 - 1,352
1941 - 1,359
1942 - 1,370
1943 - 2,275
1944 - 2,856
1945 - 665
Total - 9,877
Machine gun production
1940 - 119
1941 - 325
1942 - 232
1943 - 234
1944 - 229
1945 - 78
Total - 1,156
Artillery (not incl mortars)
1940 - 6
1941 - 22
1942 - 41
1943 - 74
1944 - 148
1945 - 27
Total - 318
Tank and SPG production
1940 - 2.2
1941 - 3.8
1942 - 232
1943 - 6.2
1944 - 19.3
1945 - 4.4
Total - 45.6
Combat aircraft
1940 - 6.6
1941 - 8.4
1942 - 11.6
1943 - 19.3
1944 - 34.1
1945 - 7.2
Total - 87.2
Soviet Union
Rifle production (in thousands):
1940 - 1,462
1941 - 2,421
1942 - 4,049
1943 - 3,438
1944 - 2,451
1945 - 703
Total - 14,524
Machine gun production
1940 - 96
1941 - 149
1942 - 356
1943 - 458
1944 - 439
1945 - 109
Total - 1,608
Artillery (not incl mortars)
1940 - 15
1941 - 41
1942 - 128
1943 - 130
1944 - 122
1945 - 77
Total - 514
Tank and SPG production
1940 - 2.8
1941 - 6.6
1942 - 24.7
1943 - 24
1944 - 29
1945 - 22.6
Total - 109.7
Combat aircraft
1940 - 8.3
1941 - 12.4
1942 - 21.7
1943 - 29.9
1944 - 33.2
1945 - 20.9
Total - 126.4
Ratio of Soviet production to German production:
Rifle production (in thousands):
1940 - 1.1
1941 - 1.8
1942 - 3.0
1943 - 1.5
1944 - 0.9
1945 - 1.1
Total - 1.5
Machine gun production
1940 - 1.6
1941 - 1.5
1942 - 3.0
1943 - 1.7
1944 - 0.9
1945 - 1.0
Total - 1.4
Artillery (not incl mortars)
1940 - 2.4
1941 - 1.8
1942 - 3.0
1943 - 1.7
1944 - 0.9
1945 - 1.0
Total - 1.4
Tank and SPG production
1940 - 1.3
1941 - 1.7
1942 - 4.0
1943 - 2.2
1944 - 1.6
1945 - 5.1
Total - 2.4
Combat aircraft
1940 - 1.3
1941 - 1.5
1942 - 1.9
1943 - 1.5
1944 - 1.0
1945 - 2.9
Total - 1.4
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* With the exception of tanks, but that is a bit skewed by the 22,000 tanks the Soviet Union produced in 1945, compared to the 4,400 the Germans produced the first four months of 1945.
GunnyUSMC
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caribou
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Before I had to put up a legal battle, for the last 5 years, I had quite a collection of Mosins.
Ive had very limited problems , and have actively used Mosins for many years.
When I get a new one, I use breakcleaner and a 20 gauge shotgun brush and make sure the chamber is free of old cosmoline. After I started doing that, I had ZERO ''sticky bolt'' that couldnt actually be attributed to my bolt being dirty.
Once my floor plate fell out while I was hunting, so I went single shot for the rest of the day. I dropped a few directly into the chamber and the last one went 'crunch', Broken,.....there went an extractor. Took about 7,000 rounds from the mag, but only 5 or 6 directly in the chamber to do that. Apon looking, the extractor groove was pretty well packed with cosmo and crap, so if I had cleaned it better, it would have had all the room it needed.
Ive busted a couple stocks, one was stepped on in the night as it lay across a log I was using for the end of my bed by a fire, one was a snowmachine wreck.
Twice Ive bought Mosin's with broken interrupter springs, both the old one piece types. One worked fairly well broken, it had electric tape holding it there.....the second model 2 piece interrupter has a better spring , but the slot the work in can still get dirty.
Guns are machines, and parts wear out and break. If you cant fix them, I guess you have to improvise.
Keep 'em clean, and a Mosin will keep up with any bolt action.
Ive had very limited problems , and have actively used Mosins for many years.
When I get a new one, I use breakcleaner and a 20 gauge shotgun brush and make sure the chamber is free of old cosmoline. After I started doing that, I had ZERO ''sticky bolt'' that couldnt actually be attributed to my bolt being dirty.
Once my floor plate fell out while I was hunting, so I went single shot for the rest of the day. I dropped a few directly into the chamber and the last one went 'crunch', Broken,.....there went an extractor. Took about 7,000 rounds from the mag, but only 5 or 6 directly in the chamber to do that. Apon looking, the extractor groove was pretty well packed with cosmo and crap, so if I had cleaned it better, it would have had all the room it needed.
Ive busted a couple stocks, one was stepped on in the night as it lay across a log I was using for the end of my bed by a fire, one was a snowmachine wreck.
Twice Ive bought Mosin's with broken interrupter springs, both the old one piece types. One worked fairly well broken, it had electric tape holding it there.....the second model 2 piece interrupter has a better spring , but the slot the work in can still get dirty.
Guns are machines, and parts wear out and break. If you cant fix them, I guess you have to improvise.
Keep 'em clean, and a Mosin will keep up with any bolt action.
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