Nightwing
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Ok... so I clue my wife in on the Joe Horn situation. She says "Well he was wrong too and he deserves to go to Jail. I once again tell her the situation with all of the facts that we know. She says "He should have let the police do their jobs. He should just give a description and leave it at that! It's not his job to get involved."
I said "What if people had been in that house? Would it be OK then for him to defend his neighbors"? She says "NO! It's not his job to! He should mind his own business".
WHAT THE HELL????
I then say "Well... what if someone was breaking into our house and we weren't home. What if our neighbor defended our property for us?"
She says "No! It's not his job! If he killed the burglars he should go to jail for Murder"!
UGH....
I then say "What if YOU WERE HOME. Would you know how to use my gun to defend yourself?"
"No! And who's to say that I need to shoot them? What if they don't want to harm me?"
"What if they do? How are you to know? You see... if the get shot... it's not your fault. It's theirs. IF you willingly go into someone elses home uninvited and know they have the right to shoot you without question, wouldn't the person shooting be justified? I mean... There's no way you could know if they were going to kill you, or rape you! Are you going to just trust them on good faith? After all... they did just break into your home".
"I would call the cops".
"Ok... what if the cops weren't coming fast enough, or the dispatcher didn't think it was important enough to dispatch them quickly? And what if a neighbor came over, and killed these guys that were trying to kill or rape you? Is the neighbor a criminal"?
"Yes! He wasn't invited into my house either, and ALSO he killed someone. He's not the cops."
UGH.... I swear.....
And then we start talking about the shootings in Nebraska. I tell her "That's why I'm getting my concealed Carry Permit. If I was in that mall, and there was any chance of me being able to defuse that situation, people's lifes could have been saved".
She says "But then you're a murderer just like him."
"I would be doing the same thing the police would be doing. It's not criminal. It's the right thing to do! I'm defending my fellow human. I would even be defending you possibly. Are you saying that I would be irresponsible if I DID shoot him"?
"Yes. Being a vigilante is stupid. It's not your responsibility."
My wife turns every conversation we have about freedom, or gun control, or just standing up for what's right.... into... I don't know. But I don't agree with her values and I don't know what to do.
I have a son with her. 4 years old. IF it weren't for that...I don't know.... probably would be gone by now.
How do I get her thinking along a more "sane" thought line?
I'm not overboard! I know my boundaries. But I believe that in the instance that law enforcement can not handle a situation, or be there in time to, that I have the duty of doing what I can until they arrive. Isn't that one of the big concepts in the idea of a militia, or in the right to bear arms in the first place?
UGH..... soothe my worries folks! Before I go insane!
I said "What if people had been in that house? Would it be OK then for him to defend his neighbors"? She says "NO! It's not his job to! He should mind his own business".
WHAT THE HELL????
I then say "Well... what if someone was breaking into our house and we weren't home. What if our neighbor defended our property for us?"
She says "No! It's not his job! If he killed the burglars he should go to jail for Murder"!
UGH....
I then say "What if YOU WERE HOME. Would you know how to use my gun to defend yourself?"
"No! And who's to say that I need to shoot them? What if they don't want to harm me?"
"What if they do? How are you to know? You see... if the get shot... it's not your fault. It's theirs. IF you willingly go into someone elses home uninvited and know they have the right to shoot you without question, wouldn't the person shooting be justified? I mean... There's no way you could know if they were going to kill you, or rape you! Are you going to just trust them on good faith? After all... they did just break into your home".
"I would call the cops".
"Ok... what if the cops weren't coming fast enough, or the dispatcher didn't think it was important enough to dispatch them quickly? And what if a neighbor came over, and killed these guys that were trying to kill or rape you? Is the neighbor a criminal"?
"Yes! He wasn't invited into my house either, and ALSO he killed someone. He's not the cops."
UGH.... I swear.....
And then we start talking about the shootings in Nebraska. I tell her "That's why I'm getting my concealed Carry Permit. If I was in that mall, and there was any chance of me being able to defuse that situation, people's lifes could have been saved".
She says "But then you're a murderer just like him."
"I would be doing the same thing the police would be doing. It's not criminal. It's the right thing to do! I'm defending my fellow human. I would even be defending you possibly. Are you saying that I would be irresponsible if I DID shoot him"?
"Yes. Being a vigilante is stupid. It's not your responsibility."
My wife turns every conversation we have about freedom, or gun control, or just standing up for what's right.... into... I don't know. But I don't agree with her values and I don't know what to do.
I have a son with her. 4 years old. IF it weren't for that...I don't know.... probably would be gone by now.
How do I get her thinking along a more "sane" thought line?
I'm not overboard! I know my boundaries. But I believe that in the instance that law enforcement can not handle a situation, or be there in time to, that I have the duty of doing what I can until they arrive. Isn't that one of the big concepts in the idea of a militia, or in the right to bear arms in the first place?
UGH..... soothe my worries folks! Before I go insane!
