Mystery rifle, can you help me identify it?

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I know what clip you are referring to (looked it up in gun parts and is called "Cartridge Guide Spring"), although I didn't know what it's function was before you mentioned it. When I took it apart yesterday, I noticed it. I'll see about getting a replacement. Why would I need to replace the firing pin?
Thanks for your response..
 
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Howdy, I have the same model rifle. It was my Father and his brothers before WWII and after my Father passed it became mine. The rifle had a broken guide spring for many years and so jammed continuously. So because of that I remember as a kid that the rifle was usually given to me to shoot by default so I learned how to clear the jams and disassemble the rifle just to get to shoot it. I remember the sights were not the best but if you did your job it would place those rounds where you wanted. My Uncles didn't want it after my Father passed because it still jammed so by default I ended up with the "rifle that always jammed". But after some years and a bit of research I finally figured out why the rifle jammed and found the replacement part, I was also able to identify the gun maker too. If you get a catalog from "Gun Parts Corp." you will find that it was made by "Savage Arms" as the model: 6A, 6AB, 6B. IT was also listed as a Stevens or Springfield model: 87A, 87AB,87B, 87AT, 76A. Today the rifle runs like a champ and unlike the "old" days the rifle has yet to jam on me since I replaced the guide spring! I hope that answers your question.------Steve
 
Spring Guide

Hello, new member here looking for info on this exact rifle. My son had it given to him recently and wholla, jamming like crazy. Does anyone have any pic's of the spring guide. I have torn it apart and am in the process of cleaning it(boy it's a mess). I don't see anything broken, except does anyone know if both extractors need to fully move, or just one? Thanks for any replies.
 
HUGLE-go to e-gunparts.com and you can look it up by manufacturer then by model. They have an exploded schematic with part numbers that match their stock....pretty simple stuff.

I have Savage/Stevens 87A and it shoots like a dream.
I spent several hundrted dollars on the then "new" Remington Viper and I damn near had to use a "come-a-long" to pull the trigger. Sold it for half of what I had in it (scope-case-sling,etc.) about 6 months later.

I did some landscaping for a pawn shop and instead of getting paid cash I saw this .22 on the shelf, worked a deal and voila! Best damn shooting .22 I have ever had. No problems with jamming....I clean the poo out of it about every 4 months....re-did the stock, still looks like crap. but if I had to choose one gun to go into the field with, you can bet I will choose the crappy looking Savage/Stevens everytime.
 
$50 Paid

Well, actually I paid $200 for this EXACT rifle and a Marlin and got a free Savage shotgun in the process. You do the math.

The stock wasn't as pretty as the initial pictures in this post and I've taken it apart, stripped, stained and am in the middle of a nice Tru-Oil finish right now.

Wish I hadn't gone as dark as I did, knowing this just might have been worth more in the lighter shade, but what the heck, it's mine for now.

Haven't fired it as of yet, too durn cold here in Iowa, but I will post a picture up of the finished job.

It IS a Springfield/Stevens Model 87A. Probably came from Sears & Roebucks.
 
Springfield
J. Stevens Arms Company
Chicopee Falls, Mass. U.S.A.
Model 87A
That’s what mine says.
Tack driver is a worthy name as well.
 
Springfield
J. Stevens Arms Company
Chicopee Falls, Mass. U.S.A.
Model 87A
That’s what mine says.
Tack driver is a worthy name as well.
Whoops Double Tap
 
Brag Rifle Refinished

Got it done the other night, here's the pictures.:)
 

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Made my first kill with a rifle like that, blonde stock and all. Mom still doesn't know: a robin out of the apple tree in the front yard, 1960.

The first meat I brought home for the family was with that rifle the same year: pigeons out of the top of the barn--aerated the roof while I was at it.

You can still get parts for these rifles. Or you can buy another like it and use it for your parts gun.

I hope you enjoy that rifle. They are a dream to play with.
 
Picked up a Springfied-Stevens Model 87A at a garage sale today. The gun is very clean and I look forward to shooting it.

Good thread guys, answered the questions I had.
 
The reason the bolt stays open until you release the trigger is the "teeter totter" style trigger sear you see when you take the rifle down for cleaning. When you pull the trigger, it teeters and the spent cartridge is ejected. When you release the trigger, it totters as the bolt goes back into battery. One note of caution with this style trigger assembly... As it gets older and worn, the catches on the mechanism may fail to engage causing your rifle to fire fully automatic until the tubular magazine is empty or it jams. I've seen this occur on two Springfield Model 87As in the past 20 years. This is a dangerous condition because the operator can not stop the runaway. Just keep it pointed in a safe direction until its empty. I strongly recommend you have a good gunsmith check this out and correct it as needed. I have had mine since I was eight years old and my grandfather had it for years before me. This is a wonderful firearm that should last generations with proper care. One other note: There is a single rib on the ejection side of the receiver. If you are experiencing stove pipe type jams on your rifle, I have seen where some have removed that rib for extra clearance. It seems to work fine and I see no drawbacks to making this modification.
 
I have the:
SAVAGE NRA TARGET RIFLE 22 LONG RIFLE UTICA NEW YORK

It is a tack driver also, great target sights, might be a reason too:)
 
Ok, so I thought of one more item of interest concerning the Model 87A. Because the bolt can be locked closed and operated as a bolt action, this rifle lends itself very well to sound suppression. <deleted> I'm only saying this rifle can be made extremely quiet.
 
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HUGLE-go to e-gunparts.com and you can look it up by manufacturer then by model. They have an exploded schematic with part numbers that match their stock....pretty simple stuff.
It is simple if you know what to look for. For Stevens Model 87a parts you have to look under Savage Model 6a schematic. My 87a is jamming so I replaced the cartridge lifter(a common cause),it still jammed then I discovered the cartridge guide spring was missing(not all models have one). I just bought the cartridge guide spring from Numrich for $11.70+$6.50 shipping. It arrived today. Surprise !! It still jams with LR cartridges.
 
This particular rifle appears to have been sold by Sears, based on the Ranger name and the number format. It was made by Savage/Stevens.
 
My step dad had a Savage Model 6 and it was a fun gun to shoot. Especially at dusk, you could see fire at the vent slots on the left side of the receiver. (Those slots let powder residue blow out of the receiver and seem to reduce the need for thorough cleaning.)

The springloaded ball in the receiver is intended to help keep the end cap from unscrewing.

Semi-auto with .22 Long Rifle (with the bolt handle pulled out), bolt action with .22 Short and .22 Long (with the bolt handle pushed in closed).

When it fired semi auto, the bolt locked open, and when you released the trigger it snapped forward to feed a round. With an empty magazine, you could fire, leave the bolt open by holding the trigger, drop a round in the chamber, and release the trigger, then fire as a single shot. Ads from the 1930s billed it as Triple Action: semi auto repeater, bolt action repeater or singleshot. By the 1960s, it was being made as a .22 LR semi-auto only, with no forward lock hole drilled in the receiver.

Refering to Numrich Arms Gun Parts catalog: Savage Models 6A, 6AB & 6B. Also made under the Stevens and Springfield brand names as Models 76A, 87A, 87AB, 87AT and 87B (tube magazine) and 85E, 85KE "clip fed" (box magazine version). It was also made for various chain stores under their house brands.

J.B. Wood, "Troubleshooting Your Rifle and Shotgun", shows the Stevens 87-A and mentions it as identical to the Savage 6A or Springfield 187.
- Imbalance in springs in the firing mechanism can lead to full-auto fire.
- Once the cartridge lifter or carrier is worn, it may cause misfeeds. The lifter has a little toe at one end, once that wears down, the lifter has to be replaced.
- There is a cartridge guide spring that looks like a collar and then there's the carrier spring, U shaped with coils on either side. If those two are properly tensioned and adjusted the gun will run smoothly; getting them properly tensioned and adjusted is no fun (been there, done that). A later redesign did away with the guide spring.

Millions were made over a period of decades, so it is not necessarily a bad gun, but a lot of gunsmiths are familiar with them. That is also why you will find walnut stocks, hardwood stocks, long and short barrels, different sights, bolt handles, etc.: millions were made over the years with changes in style.


The woman at the gun shop said every shooter should own a gun without a SN. Don't know why she said that.

If a .22 has no serial number that means it was made before 1968, when by federal law all new guns had to have serial numbers entered on the federal 4473 sales transaction form. Which I suppose means if the great gun roundup promised by gun control advocates from Carl Bakal through Norval Morris even happens, there won't be any record of millions of pre-1968 .22s and shotguns.
 
It is simple if you know what to look for. For Stevens Model 87a parts you have to look under Savage Model 6a schematic. My 87a is jamming so I replaced the cartridge lifter(a common cause),it still jammed then I discovered the cartridge guide spring was missing(not all models have one). I just bought the cartridge guide spring from Numrich for $11.70+$6.50 shipping. It arrived today. Surprise !! It still jams with LR cartridges.
Jimmy Ray, you were dead on with the guide spring, it was probably needed anyway, that is the only part I have had to replace on mine. I'd say your problem is either a lifter spring (if you haven't already replaced it), action spring (same here), magazine spring, or the tube being out of alignment (check all that all the hardware is tight). Good luck, mine (a 24in. bbl'd 87D) is one heck of a shooter.

:)
 
it is a Savage, they are easily id'd by the vent ribs on the left side of the receiver. They are supposed to fire s,l,lr's, I have bought 2 , in hopes they would. i would so love a semi auto firing a tube full of shorts! But they never do act , with being a jammo matic.
Its not desinged to operate as a semi-auto with shorts or longs, which is why the barrel is stamped "semi-auto with .22 LONG RIFLE only"
 
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