N.C. Man Kicked Out of Military Over Contraband Rifle

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Joejojoba111 wrote:

Hypothetically, could one simply leave the [item not allowed to be brought home] with a resident of said foreign state, and then re-acquire it later, as a person-to-person transaction with all due paperwork?

sure, if you are a licensed importer and get permission from the U.S. State Department to import from a hostile country.
 
My grandfather told me when he returned from WWII he had two lugers and some other pistol, but was told not to take them home, so he ditched them. Then when travelling back a lot of other guys were comparing their souvenirs and no one said anything to them. He's still miffed about it. I hear the story every time we go to a gun show.
 
A guy I knew in the service had a placque on his desk with a quote attributed to John J. Pershing..."Enlisted men are stupid. But they are clever and bear careful watching."

One Marine Wing Support Squadron was found smuggling a bunch of AK's, etc back from Gulf War I inside the fuel tanks (via cutting/welding false bottoms) of their heavy equipment. Customs and the Marine Corps determined that it was such a coordinated effort that everybody in the squadron had to have been in on it. The CO, a full colonel, was relieved for cause (couldn't have happened to a better guy...he was a nimrod angling to make general) but "they" decided that it wasn't practical to prosecute about 300 folks. I was present at a general staff meeting where this was discussed, so it's not scuttlebut.

Sun Tzu, The Art of War..."Troops will fight harder if they understand that they will be allowed to rape and plunder if they are victorious". Quoting that from memory.
 
My grndfater took home his 1911, but it was stolen shortly afterwards. His brother(who passed away years ago) took home a german MP-42. They were even in the local paper holding it. I guess times have changed since tehn.
Oh yeah the MP-42 is still hidden somewhere, when my uncle died so did the secret of its location:(
 
Looking back, after Desert Storm I could have easily slipped that "paratrooper" AK into my seabag...the one with folding stock, forward pistol grip, etc. and gotten by customs with ease. But, I did the right thing. They had us worried that we wouldn't even be able to bring our balisongs (purchased in Jacksonville, NC!) back into the country... :uhoh: Turns out there was no mass x-ray screening of all our gear. :)
 
What is sad is that the Iraqi's are allowed to have full auto's and here you have the U.S. who is suppose to be liberating them not allowing their own troops to own what the indignous personnel can own. :cuss:
 
Recently I read in a WW2 book about GI's bringing home WW2 rifles and pistols. One ship had a average of 2 foreign weapons for each person on board.

In Vietnam I bought a M3A1 "grease gun" in .45 caliber for $45 bucks. It had about 8 magazines ad several boxes of GI ball ammo. I kept it in a false bottom foot locker in my work area except during attack warnings and when I fired it. I sold it to a guy with more time than me for $60 bucks when I left. That was one nice weapon and it would have made a nice souvenir but I could not take the chance.

As it was I had to apply to the RVN government for an "export" permit in order to carry my personal .38 Special back home.
 
He should have known better.

Then again, I can't remember all the general orders that were incredibly stupid. My personal favorite was "No pornography". To be fair, this was due to the Military Honor and Decency Act that Congress passed, from my understanding. Still, if every soldier violating this order was thrown in the brig, there wouldn't be more than a handful of soldiers to guard them.

I wish the military and Congress would allow soldiers to bring back soveneirs, but I doubt it will ever happen.
 
No way he didn't know that would get him in hot water if he got caught with it. He volunteered to get in, he volunteered to get out. Simple as that, and he's lucky not to be in Leavenworth right now.

Cain't be havin them Gee Eyes runnin around unsupervised with a weepon, ya know...

lpl/nc (still glad to have FtBragg in the rearview mirror for good)
 
I was in a C-130 outfit in the 1970's. If the brass had any idea of the stuff that was hauled back to the states from all over the world they would have had strokes. Weapons, drugs, stereos, booze. motorcycles,art works, ivory,
tools, antique furniture.......Now somebody is getting their drawers in a wad over one AK? :rolleyes:
 
A WW2 vet told me they had frequent searches on their way home. Only the connected- officers, etc, were exempt.
 
My great uncle I guess was able to smuggle a German Walther P-38 back from WWII. My uncle has it now. My Dad says that my great uncle said that a bunch of guys had them and alot of them dumped them over board cause they could have gotten in big troulple when they got back to the states.

I guess it has always been agianst the law or what ever to bring stuff back but there has been varying degrees of who decides what is "Kosher".

They guy is really a defuses. He should have know better. If he really wanted to play games and have a full auto AK47 he should have just brought back the reciver and trigger group. Less dectable.


One of my Friends friends was back from Irag last winter and he showed pics of an nickle plated underfolding AK47 they confascated from some dude. Looked VERY pretty and if I was him I would have been very tempted to have that brought back if I was there my self.
 
I think they should make a law allowing perhaps a single weapon to be returned with an elligible (no felonies) soldier. Be grandfathered in as a fully transferable class three.

But hey, I'm wacky about such things as believing in what the constitution and the freedom of this country means. Otherwise, I'd run for office.
 
I think that it would be cool and a good idea if soliders were able to bring back any semi auto firearm.

However I do not think it would be a good idea to allow any 18-19 old kid to bring back into civialian life a full auto gun, it might work though.

However if are govermant or socity were more full auto friendly, like say Finland. Then it would be a more applicaple and exceptable idea I think.
 
I think that it would be cool and a good idea if soliders were able to bring back any semi auto firearm.

However I do not think it would be a good idea to allow any 18-19 old kid to bring back into civialian life a full auto gun, it might work though.
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So, we trust 18-19 year olds with automatic weapons when they wear funny looking clothing... but the second they put on civilian clothing, they lose all ability to handle such weapons. Right, makes perfect sense to me.

:banghead:
 
You would need a Firearms Importer License like Century Arms International or Southern Ohio Gun. A C&R license is different.
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That is incorrect. An individual can do the proper paperwork with ATF and import a firearm into the US. It must be transferred through a FFL (any FFL, not just importers) in the person's state of residence.

There is a procedure for military personnel to import firearms from places like Iraq while serving there. The problem is the firearm must meet the '68 GCA importation standards and that rules out most "military" firearms.

How old do you currently have to be to purchase a full auto? 18 or 21?
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21.
 
Sorry, we only trust you to carry dangerous firearms when you're in uniform and risking your life to enact our national policies. :p
 
Sniveling socialists

That's right, all you sniveling socialists, YOU!

You wanna make a criminal out of someone who came back from the sand box with an AK47 unconstitutionally made illegal through several illegal gun control acts. And he just got done fighting for your right to bear some arms.

Did you conveniently forget the oath about defending the constitution?

Now if the government wanted to finance some of this war by bringing back and selling AKs and other NFA weapons would you still complain?
 
Sorry Fella's But No Sympathy From Me...

When I returned from this region we were warned several times about our personal gear and packages shipped home being searched. We were warned that if caught we would be procecuted to the full extent of UCMJ. I'm sure that this guy had the same lectures, warnings and opportunities to make the correct decision. I'm sorry he made a big mistake but like a big boy he is going to have to pay for it. Myself and everyone that I knew disposed of our toys properly because we didn't want to be held up over there and really looked forward to coming home and seeing our loved ones. I didn't want one moments delay and at the time there wasn't one trophy or toy worth my departure. He was not a tourist in a foreign land but a soldier who blatantly disobeyed a lawful order. Different rules folks.
 
You know, it doesn't matter what your pappy or grandpappy did back in the big wars, or what you did in some war. Time have changed and laws have changed. This soldier chose to break the law within the military, alledgely, in an attempt to illegally import a fully automatic weapon onto US soil where possession would be a felony.

Otherguy Overby, the Constitution does not apply to military personnel.

So, we trust 18-19 year olds with automatic weapons when they wear funny looking clothing... but the second they put on civilian clothing, they lose all ability to handle such weapons. Right, makes perfect sense to me.
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Right. Just like LEOs that quit or retire from the profession can no longer write you tickets or open carry pistols. Just like when Clinton left office, he no longer had access to the football. Sure, we trusted him for 8 years with it, but once that job was over, so was that facet of the job.
 
hkmp5sd wrote:

"Quote: 'You would need a Firearms Importer License like Century Arms International or Southern Ohio Gun. A C&R license is different.'

That is incorrect. An individual can do the proper paperwork with ATF and import a firearm into the US. It must be transferred through a FFL (any FFL, not just importers) in the person's state of residence.
There is a procedure for military personnel to import firearms from places like Iraq while serving there."


the full quote i stated was:
"Lennyjoe wrote:

As a C&R holder I believe I can bring back 2 weapons as per the C&R rules and regs and the ATF regs.

That is actually incorrect. C&R license does not allow importation. You would need a Firearms Importer License like Century Arms International or Southern Ohio Gun. A C&R license is different."

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the question i originally answered was whether or not a C&R license allowed importation. the correct answer is still "No," at least to that part. but mp5sd is right on the Form 6.

as a member of the U.S. Armed Forces, you can file an ATF Form 6. here is the linky:

http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/pdfs/f53303b.pdf

However it stipulates:
"that such firearm or ammunition is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes; excluding surplus military firearms.

you could not import anything restricted under the Gun Control Act of 1968 (NFA Weapons), or the Assault Weapons Ban of 1989 (Imported Semiauto Assault Weapons).

that leaves you to import pistols and semiautomatic "non-assault" rifles only.
 
The majority of troops do the right thing, the minority don't and usually get caught. I worked customs in Kuwait...you'd be surprised at how often we caught folks trying to smuggle weapons and other contriband. We would find the damn things in fuel tanks on vehicles....you name it. One of my neighbors actually got caught trying to smuggle a weapon home. He ended up losing his status as a SF soldier....he's an 82nd guy now, can you imagine losing all os that???:uhoh:
 
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