Private Security To Guard West Point

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Starting in May, private security, armed with 9mm handguns and shotguns, will help guard West Point.

Story from nyt.com:

At the Gates of West Point, a Move From Khaki to Blue
By MAREK FUCHS

Published: January 22, 2004

When it comes to standing guard at the gates of the United States Military Academy at West Point, the hallowed military ground where the careers of George S. Patton, Douglas MacArthur and Dwight D. Eisenhower were forged, it's out with military-issued camouflage and in with mall-cop blue.

Beginning in May, private security guards will replace National Guardsmen as part of a Defense Department initiative to have civilian contractors take over tasks like base security with the hope of lightening the load for military personnel so they can focus on more important tasks, like Iraq.

"The contracts will free up soldiers to do jobs that only soldiers can do," said Maj. Kent Cassella, a spokesman for West Point, which plays host to surges of 40,000 visitors on football game days.

Before Sept. 11, gate duties at West Point were handled by a company of military police, but security was cursory, said Major Cassella, and though there were spot checks, pretty much anyone who wanted to could get onto the grounds. The terrorist attacks created a need for round-the-clock protection of a higher order at the academy's three opened gates, too large a commitment for the military police, who are also responsible for basic police functions like traffic and crowd control.

National Guard troops in two units, about 100 at a time, were then rotated in to protect the gates, and there were no incidents, said Major Cassella.

On May 1, however, the private guards will begin to arrive, with some overlap to ensure a smooth transition before they take over from the National Guard at the end of the month.

Alutiiq Security and Technology, an Anchorage, Alaska, company, will be providing the guards, subcontracting with Wackenhut Services of Florida to provide additional guards. Both firm names will appear on the guards' uniform patches, with Alutiiq higher and bigger. Bruce Swagler, the contracts program manager for Alutiiq, said that though final figures had not been agreed on, he expected to provide West Point with 100 to 160 guards for $4 million to $5 million annually, which will pay for everything from offices to uniforms to weapons. Major Cassella said the contract should run through 2007.

Mr. Swagler added that the company, under a larger agreement with the Defense Department, was already providing private security guards at Fort Bragg in North Carolina and Carlisle Barracks in Pennsylvania, home of the Army War College. He expects to be rolling out private security guards to more than 10 other military installations in the spring.

There is a challenge to finding guards near West Point, Mr. Swagler acknowledged, what with the population in the general vicinity a little heavier on retired investment bankers than on the retired military personnel who often surround the military bases the company works with.

"West Point is also so officer heavy, and we usually recruit from the enlisted ranks," he said. Advertising, though, will begin this weekend, in local as well as military papers and on Monster.com. The company looks for retired law enforcement officials, too, and though the new guards in charge of watching West Point will be armed, they will not be on the same footing in terms of weaponry as the guards they will replace.

Nine-millimeter pistols and shotguns will be the order of the day, and standard-issue M-16s will be out.

Major Cassella does not think that having private guards in blue will diminish West Point's mystique. He says the public will see it as another way Sept. 11 changed conventions.
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They've already replaced Guardsmen with rent-a-cops at Ft. Campbell as of about a month ago.

It's about time they did something to relieve the overworked National Guard units. In the last 28 months, I'd be willing to wager that the vast majority of Guard units have been activated for a sustained length of time. If the pace had kept up, there would be no Guard units available to rotate into places like Kosovo, Bosnia, Iraq, Afghanistan, and a myriad of other places. Not to mention the damage the extended deployments must have done to retention and recruitment for the Guard. Why join or reenlist in the Guard if you're going to be deployed just like an active duty soldier? Why not just go all out and join the Army?

Frank
 
Can't say I'm surprised. When I went to West Point in 1991-1995, security in general was a joke. Back then the main security concern was cadets sneaking off with their girlfriends. Not that I know anything about that firsthand, mind you. :evil:
 
Cadets wouldn't do any dishonorable like sneaking off with girlfriends, would they? ;)

At the Military History Institute at Carlisle, PA, there was one MP who supervised numerous security guards. Ft. Campbell, KY is still a MP operation.
 
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I remember seeing what appeared to be civilian private security guards at US Army's Aberdeen Proving Ground in Maryland about 15 or more years ago. They had MPs at the main gates and security guard at the sensitive or restricted parts of the base.
 
I'll try not to be too hard on the cadets, but if they want them to learn military life, do this. Have one platoon of regular Army to act as a security coordinator/training cadre. Have the cadet corp supply the bodies for the watches. Arm them up and post them out for about 8 hours at night. Everybody else in the military plays that game. Why rent cops?
 
I once assumed that West Pointer's were Soldiers. Why can't they pull guard duty? Can't you trust a guy that will eventually become an officer in the United States Army? I guess not.
 
Because the "Cadidiots" are going to be Officers, and wouldn't want to soil their hands with simpleton "Enlisted" functions. Sorry, can you tell I have a problem with authority?;)
 
I'll try not to be too hard on the cadets, but if they want them to learn military life, do this. Have one platoon of regular Army to act as a security coordinator/training cadre. Have the cadet corp supply the bodies for the watches. Arm them up and post them out for about 8 hours at night. Everybody else in the military plays that game. Why rent cops?

Spoken like someone who doesn't know jack squat about what life at the Military Academy is like. ;)

For one thing, last I checked the cadets maintained a full compliment of guards, SDOs, CQs, et. al. 24/7/365, and for shifts considerably longer than 8 hours. So an 8 hour guard shift would be candy-assed compared to a 12 or 24 hour shift that was the norm there when I was a cadet. However, this is only enough folks to cover the actual Cadet Area and its ~4,000 inhabitants; the West Point reservation itself is much larger. The MPs (and now contract guards) would cover the gates, back roads, and so forth that are well outside - think MILES - of the cadet area.
 
Because the "Cadidiots" are going to be Officers, and wouldn't want to soil their hands with simpleton "Enlisted" functions. Sorry, can you tell I have a problem with authority?

For one thing, they are pulling guard duty. At least when I was there, it seemed like we were pulling quite a lot of it. :D

In fact, last I checked cadets pretty much pulled ALL of the "simpleton 'Enlisted' functions" while at West Point. And a bunch of other, frankly insane, stuff besides.

I once assumed that West Pointer's were Soldiers. Why can't they pull guard duty? Can't you trust a guy that will eventually become an officer in the United States Army? I guess not.

Having seen both Cadet Basic Training and active-duty Army Basic Training firsthand, the former is much more unpleasant than the latter, and more physically demanding. Cadets also have to meet all the same PT and weapon qualification requirements as any other soldiers... and have considerably higher scores, on average. Which they should, of course. They are also subject to the UCMJ... and harsher discipline besides.

Guys, may I suggest actually knowing something about what you are posting about? It can really be quite helpful. ;)

I'm also kind of baffled that folks that volunteer to go to West Point and serve their country as officers seem to be a target of special ridicule around here...? :confused:
 
SS - you'd have to be an EM to understand.

When you have E-4's and E-5's leading patrols along the Saigon River because officers can't be bothered, well .........
 
There are alot of West Pointers' names on The Wall, buried in Arlington National Cemetary, in wheelchairs, et. al. that put the lie to your "opinions." Your disrespect says more about you than the people you direct it at.

What I "understand" is that you don't have the facts straight, and have some kind of chip on your shoulder.
 
At some point someone somewhere in the pentagon or the White House is gonna have to 'fess up and say in public, "Yup, looks like we are overextended. We're gonna have to do one of two things: 1--cut back on our committments, or 2--increase the size of full time forces.

We can not continue to squeeze regular forces and reserves forces and national guard forces. At some point the motivation of mom, apple pie, and democracy, etc will fail.

Hey, I got an idea. Let's outsource our military. Let's hire merc's to do the ugly stuff. If outsourcing is good 'enuf for corporate America, its good 'enuf for the military.
 
Don't take it personally, Sean!

I'm also kind of baffled that folks that volunteer to go to West Point and serve their country as officers seem to be a target of special ridicule around here...?

Yup. They sure are targets of ridicule. Especially from AFROTC and Colorado Springs graduates... :evil:
 
I was stationed at West Point from 1/71 - 9/73, working as a computer operator/instructor at the Academic Computer Center at Thayer Hall (I understand it's now down at what used to be Ladycliffe College). Beat the hell out of the rice paddies, though.

I'll back Sean up on the fact that the Cadets are worked pretty hard. They lead a demanding, disciplined and rigorous life. They also have very decent accommodaitons, excellent facilities, amazing extra-curricular opportunities, gov't paid travel, lotsa leave, and plenty of perks. A service academy education really is a $100K exercise.

But I've gotta throw in a few grains of salt, in that as the Cadets are being molded into warriors and leaders, some of what they do is closer to 'play' soldering than the real thing, at least early on. It's just 'training', not 'doing'. Some start drinking their own bathwater much too early in their careers. But everyone has to start somewhere.

I can attest to how much fun I had setting up tents for thier summer camp, directing traffic for thier football games, and pulling guard duty for the seniors' cars (the Chevy dealer in Highland Falls sells more Corvettes than any other dealer in the US, FWIW) or the damn mules before the Army/Navy game (really, youse Cadettes oughta guard yer own damn mules), as well as other silly-@$$ed details I got to pull in support of the Academy, beyond my normal duties. Then again, the bar at the Hotel Thayer on Friday or Saturday night after curfew was sometimes very good hunting:D

Oh, well, it was fun at the time, and the reason talk is cheap is that the supply is always greater than the demand. All n' all, Waitone nailed the current situation pretty well.
 
Sean,
As one who rarely if ever enters into these little battles, I probably should have just passed on by (here it comes) but now you've placed your foot squarely in it.

Let me be quite clear as to my position on the issue. I am a Chief Petty Officer in the U.S. Coast Guard with eighteen years service in two branches of the military and can speak with a great deal of experience when it comes to officers an their value. I have served under some officers that I would have walked through fire for and will forever speak of them in reverent tones, but unfortunately they were the exception instead of the rule.

I have seen Officers pull some of the most chicken*&^% stunts at the expense of the enlisted they were supposed to be leading that my stomach still turns thinking about it. The attitude of the Officer corps has changed to one of "what's in it for me", and of expecting enlisted people to kiss their a*ses because they have a lousy four year degree.

I highly respect any man or woman who serves this country and meant no disrespect to anyone here, I just call it the way I see it.
 
Sean, throttle back turbo! I love West Point, got a recommendation to go there once from George Allen even though I wasn't applying. At one point my daily coffe mug on board ship was a black and gold Beat Navy mug, mainly just to annoy my Academy officers. Point is, I figure if you got time to secretly cavort around with girls and steal a goat you got time to stand a post. Maybe I'm just annoyed because I got another 00-04 watch soon when it will be about 19 deg. ;)

Another point is that I miss the day when all Navy guarded our posts, these guys we got now may be federal police officers, but they just exude eau-de-rentacop. Guys down here are like supertroopers with ships.
 
Navy joe
I'll just bet those Canoe U grads just love your coffee cup:D
Thank you for your service and hope your watches are always uneventful.

And if there is any comfort in it for you, behind every newly commissioned officer, there is an NCO to show them what its really all about. The smart officers pay attention.

I see no reason why officer candidates cannot pull their turn on all the guard posts.
Doing 4 years at any of the service academies cannot be easy, but if the standard is to prepare them to lead men, they should have a full taste of what its like to be a soldier in order to properly command them.

NCO creed: Officers command units; NCO's command men.
 
Blackcloud6-thats how you know the soldiers are happy. They are only happy when they are squawking about something. When they stop complaining, there is a very serious problem!
 
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