NAA revolver choice

[littleguns]

Hello all
I am somewhat new to site and need help making a decision regarding the NAA revolver as a back up to a larger gun. I own both the 22 LR 1 1/8 and the 22 mag 1 1/8. I am learning the differnece of velocities is a lot smaller then I expected when i bought the 22 mag. Has anyone tested the two gun for comparison. The smaller 22LR gun would be a better choice size wise for a back up. Advise on rounds etc, stingers? Also I have had bad luck with the so called "safety slot" on the cylinders of these guns. Thanks in advance for any input.

 

[olderguns2]

I have 4 NAAs I carry the magnum as my back up I believe every little bit of volocity I can get, I should take, all I use in mine is CCI maxi-mags 40grain H/P . and if you've have not found them yet, the NAA firearms forum has everything you could want to know about these little guns.

 

[littleguns]

Thanks Older guns
I was researching the maxi mag +V. boasts 1100 fps, this is the only round that shows a real velocity difference from the 800 fps stinger in LR. Can you recommend a good grip, was looking at the boot grip for both guns. Cant really shoot with factory grips, hate to think about being under stress with them, fumbling etc.

 

[pezo]

Velocity is only a small part of the equation. I have done makeshift penetration test with my 1 1/8" mini conversion and found the magnum to have significantly more penetration than the long rifle. The magnum, with the right load has adequate penetration to do the job. Stick with heavier copper WASHED bullets and you may even get some expansion with them as well. I used a wood pallet with a soaked phone book shoved in between the 3/4" pallet boards. The magnums I used, in this case winchester dyna-pointes blasted thru the wood and quite aways thru the book where as the long rifles were greatly slowed down and stopped. To summarize this shortly (thru my black berry) the mags impressed me and gave me confidence the long rifles left me to continue to search for something "specialized" that may be better. All I am saying is do your own penetration test rather than just relying on velocity numbers which may not mean squat.

 

[littleguns]

Thank Pizo
This is the kind of info i am looking for. How it actually performs. Your test sounded good. I will try the a few rounds against plywood and phone books. I am trying to see for myself if there is a real difference between the two. If not i would sell the Magnum. Tell what kind of grip do you like. I cant use the factory grip. Was thinking a boot grip, presently I have them in folding grips, but dont like them.

 

[MCgunner]

My 2" Black Widow .22 mag gets about 1150 fps with CCI maximag. My 1 5/8" .22 gets about 800 fps with Federal Lightening 38 grain HV hollow points (it shoot's 'em best). The Black Widow with its Novak sights is quite accurate to shoot, but that aside, yes, the magnum performs quite a bit better. I carry the .22 as a back up every day, though, because it takes up less pocket space, easy to carry as a pocket knife. I carry it in my weak side pocket, my primary (.38 or 9x18 or 9x19) in my strong side. The BW is carried as a primary on the rare occasion that I can't carry bigger. What I REALLY like about the BW is the accuracy, know I can hit with it. The extra 350 fps is nice, but accuracy is final with me.

I'm itchin' to get my hands on some of these for testing in my BW......

http://www.hornady.com/store/22-WMR-45gr-Critical-Defense/

 

[Steve 48]

I personally like the Mini Pug. It has sights and you can hit something with it. I use the 45 gr Winchester's.

 

[olderguns2]

like you the grips that came with the gun did not work for me, I have the oversized rubber grips (like the black widows come with) on all my guns , never tried the folding grips but I want a set just to see if I like them, just waiting for them to go on as sale item of the month.

 

[VA27]

Boot grips work great. They give you something to hang on to without the bulk of other grips. In a gun that small a good grip is important.

As to caliber, I carry a 22 short as a back up to my backup. The HV solid has as much penetration as the LR model with better control.

I have a LR model simply because you can shoot anything in it. I use it loaded with Winchester rat shot for the occasional rattler or copperhead that shows up while I'm mowing. (I don't see many anymore, but I have had an increase in sightings of the prairie king snake. Think there's a connection?)

The magnum is good, too. I sold mine in anticipation of a Pug in my future...or possibly a Sheriff or...

 

[Hoppes Love Potion]

The magnum is definitely worth the extra size, as is any grip option that gives you better control.

For me, the sweet spot was the Black Widow, which is a bit larger than the magnum mini, but I felt the large rubber grip, actual workable sights, and longer barrel were worth the size penalty. It carries easily and I can shoot it accurately.

 

[MCgunner]

Hoppes, exactly why I like the BW. I think it's a bit large for an also gun, but it conceals easier than anything short of the LR NAA and packs nearly the energy of the .32ACP. Penetration is fantastic with the magnum and that's the key for me over any .32 short of a .32 mag or .327. Very marginal never-the-less and it's not a daily carry, but occasionally it's warranted for its superior ease of concealment. My .22 LR is my also gun, though.

 

[JFrame]

I love the Black Widow also, and do feel that the nearly full-sized stocks provide for a lot of control.

However, in my case, I felt that the BW stocks somewhat detracted from the main benefit of the piece, which is its relatively small size. So in my case, after some agonizing deliberation (because I really do like the standard stocks), I decided to swap them out for the slip-on bird's head grip (the one that comes with the Pug).

Yes, acquiring the grip is somewhat compromised -- but in my case, I have relatively slender fingers, so it's not that big a deal to overcome. And I've shrunk the profile considerably, while still retaining a good bit of accuracy for such a small piece.

This just happened to work out the best for me -- of course, YMMV.


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[fineredmist]

I have carried my .22 mag for 15 years and I had the same problem with the grips that most people have. I found that the NAA oversize rubber grips are just what I needed, large enough for good control and yet small enough so they don't print in my front pocket. The next item was the sharp edge on the rear of the cylinder which was rounded off using a stone. The final item is the front sight, useless, grind it off. With the larger rubber grips the gun points well and is accurate out to 7 yards. If you practice you should be able to shoot 5 - 6" groups at 7 yards with no problem. I have found the CCI MAXI MAGS to best the most reliable, consistent and accurate of all the ammo I have tried in this gun.

 

[MCgunner]

From the bench, I can shoot 6-8" groups at 25 yards...using the sights. The front sight is far, far from useless. You just need to know how to use it. I've filed mine down a tad so that it hits POA at 25 yards.

I didn't have to do a thing to the Black Widow, hits POA with CCI as is. It'll put 'em into 3.5" at 25 yards, better sights, longer sight radius. Off hand, 8" plates at 25 yards, i can knock down about 2 per cylinder full from the LR, sometimes 3, and roll five of five with the BW if I ate my cherrios that morning. I've even head shot a snake at 10 feet with the .22 and taken out quite a few marauding 'possums around the place. The .22LR is far better as a close up weapon, why I carry it weak side, in case my strong hand is tied up in a struggle and I can't get to my primary. But, I don't consider the sights "useless", not for me, at any rate. YMMV

 

[Onward Allusion]

littleguns
NAA revolver choice
Hello all
I am somewhat new to site and need help making a decision regarding the NAA revolver as a back up to a larger gun. I own both the 22 LR 1 1/8 and the 22 mag 1 1/8. I am learning the differnece of velocities is a lot smaller then I expected when i bought the 22 mag. Has anyone tested the two gun for comparison. The smaller 22LR gun would be a better choice size wise for a back up. Advise on rounds etc, stingers? Also I have had bad luck with the so called "safety slot" on the cylinders of these guns. Thanks in advance for any input.

When using a small caliber such as a .22LR or mag, shot placement becomes so much more critical. I mounted a LaserLyte on my 22LR and 22 Mag. Sounds totally Mall Ninja, but it really works.

Sure, I could hit a B-27 at 7 yards and keep 'em all in the black shooting off-hand if I took my time, breathe, aimed...etc...but these little guns aren't meant to be shot like that. Quick shots from my Minis would get me at best a 12" shotgun pattern at 15 feet. With the laser, quick shots are POA everytime - all CoM. Taking my time gets me dime size groups at 15 feet. I don't use the sights on the Minis. I practice using a retention position with these little guns.

BTW, Stingers are not the best ammo for the 22LR. Go with a 40 gr solid point for the 22LR and a 50 gr for the Mag.

 

[MCgunner]

Even with a cylinder bore, at 15 feet, a shotgun patterns like a rifle.

 

[03Shadowbob]

I'd def go with the 22Mag. Better penetration and the kick is no worse than the 22LR IMO. Here is what I can do at 7 yards, probably a little better now that it is almost 3 years later. The factory grips work fine for me.

 

[MCgunner]

Good Shootin'!

 

[littleguns]

Wow thanks for all the great info and pics. I will definately keep the Mag. I just ordered the oversized wood grips for the 22 LR. I figure i can shave them down a bit if needed. I guess i will do some expermenting with different rounds using a phone book. I will stay clear of HP in the little gun. I carry a Rohrbaugh R9 and want to back it up with the naa 22. Both guns fit nicely in a very small 5X4 waist pack

 

[murf]

go to theboxotruth.com and check out their penetration test of both the 22lr and 22mag. the mag is impressive. the lr is not bad.

murf

 

[MICHAEL T]

NAA had all this information posted on the web sight . I have one . Wasn't worth bringing home I think. Sorry I bought one 22LR/22MAG I'am not a fan If I want something small in 2 caliber I will carry my Beretta 950. 9 shots very quick and accurate. 25 auto as good as these 1 5/8 barrel 22 or 22 mag . If you can hit with your fine . my self a barn is safe.

 

[littleguns]

Thanks again for all the info. Can anyone advise on the safety notch on both guns. To tell the truth I consider mine a 4 shot. Dont feel comfortable with the possiblity of the hammer ending up on a live round while in the pocket.

 

[Hoppes Love Potion]

I have seen one report of a NAA mini hammer coming out of the safety notch when carried loose in a pocket. It did not discharge, but was enough of a concern that the owner decided to carry 4 rounds with the hammer down on an empty chamber.

I believe if you have the NAA in a good holster, there is no issue with the safety notch.

 

[MCgunner]

I've carried my NAA loose (holster grip doesn't protect the hammer) for 25 years in a pocket and never seen the hammer come out of the notch, so it doesn't really concern me, but I can see where it COULD happen. If it concerns you, 4 on tap isn't a big thing IMHO. My supercompanion doesn't have safety notches so I carry it on an empty chamber when I have carried it. If four don't do it, you're in deep do do anyhow. I carry the Black Widow with all chambers loaded, in my number 4 blackhawk, muzzle down to allow for easy holster grip deployment, faster draw. That pocket holster hides the hammer and it's no harder to carry the gun concealed with the holster in the pocket. My .22LR is an also gun, why it's loose in my weak side pocket.

 

[Onward Allusion]

littleguns
Thanks again for all the info. Can anyone advise on the safety notch on both guns. To tell the truth I consider mine a 4 shot. Dont feel comfortable with the possiblity of the hammer ending up on a live round while in the pocket.

I have no concerns with the safety notch coming out as long as the Mini is in a pocket holster or with nothing else in the pocket it is in. Even in the unlikely event that this does happen, you're still going to have to drop or strike the hammer to get an AD. I inspect the weapon on a daily basis, so that mitigates the possibility as well.