PWK
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You should all get the movie and actor but what is the gun. My guess would be either a 375H&H or 416 Rigby.
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Hello. John Wayne in "Hatari," but I'm not sure on the caibler rifle.
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BluesBear
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Been awhile since I saw the movie but I think it was a .416.
I saw the movie, too. After all these years, I recall that he definitely had a M70 .458...as one would expect of an American in Africa.
However, he may well have had the older form, with a barel about 25-26" long. I believe that current .458's have 22" barrels. Wayne's probably was a pre-1964 version. I think I saw that movie while in the USAF in the 1960's.
I remember Elsa Martinelli and I remember that Red Buttons (?) was given a test to see if he could handle a .458 before being accepted into the safari crew. I think he probably shot some cans.
In private life, Wayne used Weatherby Magnums, and was featured in Roy Weatherby's ads, but he may also have had a .458 in his gun rack.
Lone Star
However, he may well have had the older form, with a barel about 25-26" long. I believe that current .458's have 22" barrels. Wayne's probably was a pre-1964 version. I think I saw that movie while in the USAF in the 1960's.
I remember Elsa Martinelli and I remember that Red Buttons (?) was given a test to see if he could handle a .458 before being accepted into the safari crew. I think he probably shot some cans.
In private life, Wayne used Weatherby Magnums, and was featured in Roy Weatherby's ads, but he may also have had a .458 in his gun rack.
Lone Star
Dr. Pig-
In .458, the sling swivel is indeed mounted out on the barrel, as the recoil would otherwise injure the shooter's hand on the forend (sp?). Many British rifles also have this feature, but they also use it on lighter rifles, to let the rifle hang lower, being less likely to catch on brush. They usually only carry the rifle by the sling; they don't use the sling as a shooting aid, as Americans are often taught to do.
Using a barrel-mounted sling to steady the rifle may impart stresses to the barrel that can affect bullet impact. However, the .458 is seldom fired at long range; it's usually used "offhand", within 50-60 yards or closer.
The .458 M70 has had the swivel out there since its inception about 1956-58. I believe that some recent .375 M70's have also had the barrel-mounted sling.
I checked the availibility of, "Hatari" at amazon.com. If anyone wants the movie, it's available, at quite reasonable cost. Some rental stores (Blockbuster, etc.) also have it, depending on the particular location.
Lone Star
In .458, the sling swivel is indeed mounted out on the barrel, as the recoil would otherwise injure the shooter's hand on the forend (sp?). Many British rifles also have this feature, but they also use it on lighter rifles, to let the rifle hang lower, being less likely to catch on brush. They usually only carry the rifle by the sling; they don't use the sling as a shooting aid, as Americans are often taught to do.
Using a barrel-mounted sling to steady the rifle may impart stresses to the barrel that can affect bullet impact. However, the .458 is seldom fired at long range; it's usually used "offhand", within 50-60 yards or closer.
The .458 M70 has had the swivel out there since its inception about 1956-58. I believe that some recent .375 M70's have also had the barrel-mounted sling.
I checked the availibility of, "Hatari" at amazon.com. If anyone wants the movie, it's available, at quite reasonable cost. Some rental stores (Blockbuster, etc.) also have it, depending on the particular location.
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PWK
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Gee, identifying a gun by the front swivel.
Well how about this one from the same movie.
Some type of double barrelled elephant gun:
Well how about this one from the same movie.
Some type of double barrelled elephant gun:
My guess would be a Nitro Express. Might be a .450 or .577 Holland & Holland Double, but hard to tell from that pic.
PWK
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Yes, hard to tell. The "park ranger" carrying the gun was always walking when you could get a clean look at the gun but since he was moving it was hard to select a still which showed the gun well. I selected that picture since it showed some bullets in his belt pouch.
I know JW was a stickler for authentic weapons in his movies.
I know JW was a stickler for authentic weapons in his movies.
PWK-
Did you see the film recently? Did they not refer to a .458? Probably when someone was demonstrating his ability to use it well?
It has been many years since I saw, "Hatari", but I'm pretty sure about the rifle.
As you noted, the double rifle would be very hard to identify without a very close look or the characters naming it. They all look much alike. To see the ammo and get a feel for how the various double rifles and their cartridges compare, see, "African Rifles and Cartridges", by the late John Taylor. Although some of the author's exploits have since been discredited, the gun info in this volume is solid. You may also wish to consult, "Cartridges of the World", a periodically updated volume from Krause, who publish the various, "Digest" style gun and knife books.
Lone Star
Did you see the film recently? Did they not refer to a .458? Probably when someone was demonstrating his ability to use it well?
It has been many years since I saw, "Hatari", but I'm pretty sure about the rifle.
As you noted, the double rifle would be very hard to identify without a very close look or the characters naming it. They all look much alike. To see the ammo and get a feel for how the various double rifles and their cartridges compare, see, "African Rifles and Cartridges", by the late John Taylor. Although some of the author's exploits have since been discredited, the gun info in this volume is solid. You may also wish to consult, "Cartridges of the World", a periodically updated volume from Krause, who publish the various, "Digest" style gun and knife books.
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Mike Irwin
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"Might be a .450 or .577 Holland & Holland Double, but hard to tell from that pic."
Could be literally any of several dozen calibers.
"I selected that picture since it showed some bullets in his belt pouch."
Even better, it shows complete cartridges!
Could be literally any of several dozen calibers.
"I selected that picture since it showed some bullets in his belt pouch."
Even better, it shows complete cartridges!
PWK
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Yes, we rented it at blockbuster. My teenage boys thought it would be corny with no techno-computer stuff but I think they laughed and enjoyed the movie as much as I did.
No, there was no mention of caliber by any of the actors.
There is one more scene where Kurt & Chips have a shooting contest and no mention there.
Yea, Yea Yea, Mike I know even when I was typing bullet I was thinking thats not the right word but I went a little brain dead there.
Lone Star, why shoot off hand? In fact Wayne shot it that way in the movie.
No, there was no mention of caliber by any of the actors.
There is one more scene where Kurt & Chips have a shooting contest and no mention there.
Yea, Yea Yea, Mike I know even when I was typing bullet I was thinking thats not the right word but I went a little brain dead there.
Lone Star, why shoot off hand? In fact Wayne shot it that way in the movie.
Can anyone id the four at the top of:
http://www.thehighroad.org/library/caps/ ?
http://www.thehighroad.org/library/caps/ ?
BluesBear
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tyme,
Unknown rebel's rifle in Spy Game sure looks like a Russian Dragunov SVD.
The rifles at Erehwon Prison in Face/Off are selective fire "military/police" versions of the Ruger Mini-14. I think the catalogue numbers back in the 1980s all started with ATK or something similar.
The Sniper Rifle in Swordfish looks like a Remington 40-XB Tactical. It could be a special Police edition Model 700, but even the stock looks like a right from the factory 40-XB-T
I'll have to dig out my Face Off DVD to try and get a better look at the rifle, can't tell much from the screen captures.
Unknown rebel's rifle in Spy Game sure looks like a Russian Dragunov SVD.
The rifles at Erehwon Prison in Face/Off are selective fire "military/police" versions of the Ruger Mini-14. I think the catalogue numbers back in the 1980s all started with ATK or something similar.
The Sniper Rifle in Swordfish looks like a Remington 40-XB Tactical. It could be a special Police edition Model 700, but even the stock looks like a right from the factory 40-XB-T
I'll have to dig out my Face Off DVD to try and get a better look at the rifle, can't tell much from the screen captures.
The double appears to be a plain-grade boxlock in a caliber along the lines of 450 Nitro, 465 Nitro, 470 Nitro, 450 #2, 475 #2, or possibly 500 Nitro.
It was likely one of the guns made for PHs to use daily, such as a Webley or Army & Navy, correct for the movie and less expensive for Stembridge, the gun rental house, than a sidelock Purdey or Holland.
BTW Henry had a .577 Nitro and a BP 4-bore. Ray Johnson had the .600 Nitro. ;-)
JR
It was likely one of the guns made for PHs to use daily, such as a Webley or Army & Navy, correct for the movie and less expensive for Stembridge, the gun rental house, than a sidelock Purdey or Holland.
BTW Henry had a .577 Nitro and a BP 4-bore. Ray Johnson had the .600 Nitro. ;-)
JR
John Ross-
Inasmuch as the movie was made in Kenya, Stembridge may not have supplied the guns. It's always interesting to see what crops up in movies made abroad.
Some odd items were in the best known film version of, "King Solomon's Mines", the one from about 1950, with Stewart Granger and Deborah Kerr (?).
On the "Lost World" TV show (as distinct from the several movies based on the same book by Doyle), the props department couldn't even seem to supply the same guns for each character. They varied some with the season, sometimes even within the SAME EPISODE, scenes not necessarily being shot on the same day.
Rachel Blakely, as Marguerite, is supposed to carry a S&W New Departure Safety Hammerless .38, but at least once, they substituted an Iver Johnson. One character (he kidnapped Veronica, the jungle blonde in the episode, "Trophies") had a Ruger Blackhawk! Pretty neat trick for a show set in 1920! Professor Challenger uses a Colt SAA .45, but the barrel length has varied. Perhaps he took more than one. Lord John Roxton wears either a Colt M1911 .45 or a brace of nickled Webleys with ivory (?) butts, in shoulder holsters. Some Webley Mk. IV .38's have crept in, probably because .455's were unavailable, even in Australia, where the series was filmed. (We're about to give up on a fourth season. Even the executive writers now say that unless something happens in the next few months, financing probably won't materialize.)
In that case and in Kenya, local gun rental houses probably have limited stock, especially with the recent nasty Aussie gun laws.
Oh: Roxton has carried several rifles. I especially like what may be a Sako Safari Grade and one that may be a custom sporter on a Remington M30S action. The safety gave it away...
Lone Star
Inasmuch as the movie was made in Kenya, Stembridge may not have supplied the guns. It's always interesting to see what crops up in movies made abroad.
Some odd items were in the best known film version of, "King Solomon's Mines", the one from about 1950, with Stewart Granger and Deborah Kerr (?).
On the "Lost World" TV show (as distinct from the several movies based on the same book by Doyle), the props department couldn't even seem to supply the same guns for each character. They varied some with the season, sometimes even within the SAME EPISODE, scenes not necessarily being shot on the same day.
Rachel Blakely, as Marguerite, is supposed to carry a S&W New Departure Safety Hammerless .38, but at least once, they substituted an Iver Johnson. One character (he kidnapped Veronica, the jungle blonde in the episode, "Trophies") had a Ruger Blackhawk! Pretty neat trick for a show set in 1920! Professor Challenger uses a Colt SAA .45, but the barrel length has varied. Perhaps he took more than one. Lord John Roxton wears either a Colt M1911 .45 or a brace of nickled Webleys with ivory (?) butts, in shoulder holsters. Some Webley Mk. IV .38's have crept in, probably because .455's were unavailable, even in Australia, where the series was filmed. (We're about to give up on a fourth season. Even the executive writers now say that unless something happens in the next few months, financing probably won't materialize.)
In that case and in Kenya, local gun rental houses probably have limited stock, especially with the recent nasty Aussie gun laws.
Oh: Roxton has carried several rifles. I especially like what may be a Sako Safari Grade and one that may be a custom sporter on a Remington M30S action. The safety gave it away...
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