National concealed carry pending bills?

[JJY]

Malum,

I would like to see a federal law and/or US Supreme Court Decision stating there is an individual right to keep and bear arms, that such right is supported by, but not granted by, the Second Amendment, and that the Fourteenth Amendment makes that right enforceable against all state and local governments. Then you would have national open and concealed carry in every state.

There are a lot of other things on this list as well, but this is all that pertains to this topic.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

Wouldn't we all?

The Parker case is our best bet on getting that ball rolling. Keep your eyes open, as oral arguments in the DC Circuit Court of Appeals are in November.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

Parker

Link: http://www.georgiapacking.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=344

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

More to the topic, though, to answer the questions from the original post - NO, I do not think they will make it to the floor or get voted on. Most people have had a hard time getting their Representatives and Senators to even respond to them about it. Have yours?

This sort of bill ought to be a slam dunk with Republican control of Congress and the White House. Did they not sell us the LEO carry bill (HR 218) on the basis that this would be a stepping stone to doing the same for firearms carry licenses?

The Republicans act like they are in the minority . . .

Three pages of commentary here, with the last page including links to the text of the bills, current status, and lists of the sponsors. They have so many sponsors it almost looks like they should have gotten it done!

http://www.georgiapacking.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=383

 

[beerslurpy]

In the senate, they might as well be a minority.

 

[JJY]

I live in Va so Senator Allen is the one who introduced it to the Senate. Our other Senator has not taken a position on it as far as I know. I called Senator Allen’s office a while back and got a non-answer answer …. “the senator is committed to supporting rights ….” and so on.


I have not seen the phrase Malum Prohibitum since I was in law school.

 

[Panthera Tigris]

If it ever does pass, everyone is just going to start putting up metal detectors to their places and putting up their own rules about not allowing guns in their establishments. I'd still like to see it passed. I can't see cities like Chicago or Boston allowing anyone to carry however, whether there is a national reciprocity law or not. They'll come up with some loophole to still squelch the right to carry.

 

[johnsonrlp]

I think I would rather them make a declaration that not honoring out of state permits (or better yet requiring permits at all) is in violation of the 14th Amendment. If that doesn't work then make them accept reciprocity.

 

[DirtyBrad]

I'm not clear on what these bills would mean to those of us living in hell like MD, CA, etc.

It sounds like all of you who can carry could come into MD and have your home state permits honored and carry all over the place, while those of us that actually live here would still not be able to. Is that correct?

 

[Manedwolf]

If it ever does pass, everyone is just going to start putting up metal detectors to their places and putting up their own rules about not allowing guns in their establishments.

Not a problem to me. It's a free market. Gun owners won't shop there, they'll lose business, and they'll be targets for crime.

It sounds like all of you who can carry could come into MD and have your home state permits honored and carry all over the place, while those of us that actually live here would still not be able to. Is that correct?

Yup. You have to fight that battle locally, but it's not fair to punish people who had already in their own states, when they want to travel around a country under the Constitution. Sucks for the people who live in an anti state, but safer for travellers whose home state is a more free one.

 

[Stickjockey]

There's always out-of-state permits.

 

[DirtyBrad]

Are you serious? Jesus, I don't know if laughing at the idiocy of that is from actual humor or just the prelude to losing my mind.

As if it's not enough that I have to read all of the "post pictures of your carry rig" threads on here, now I'll have people actually carrying all around me.

Would this just cover travel? If I live in VA and work in MD, would I be legal in carrying every day when I crossed the bridge?

 

[CAPTAIN MIKE]

Whining About It versus Getting Behind It

Gents ... we can either whine about things or do something about them. Posting a thread or a reply to a thread on a website like this does not actually change anything. It just lets us vent .... or in some case, whine.

To get a law approved, the Congress will respond to overwhelmcing input from registered voters in their constituency. I for one am actively in touch with my elected representatives on a regular basis, whether I voted for them or the other guy.

My point is this. Let's stop whining and nitpicking and GET BEHIND THIS...or we will have no one to blame but ourselves if it never passes and the other side gets control of Congress after the mid-terms and then the White House in 2008. No amount of whining and nit-picking is going to achieve Victory.
Pick up the phone. Send an e-mail. Write a letter. Then do it all again to the same reps, asking why they didn't get back to you about it. Be a pain in the rear and they will respond.

 

[Zonamo]

Arizona didn't wait for the Feds. If you have a valid permit from any state, it is now valid in Arizona as of September 24, 2006.

The list at packing.org now shows reciprocity for 47 entities including New York City. The only ones missing are Illinois, Vermont, Winsconsin, and Washington DC.

Permits honored by Arizona

Would I like to see the Feds force the other 49 states to extend to me the courtesy my state has extended to everyone else?

You betchya.

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

I have not seen the phrase Malum Prohibitum since I was in law school.

Fits, though, doesn't it?

There is a startling lack of telephone, email, and writing activity on behalf of these bills.

Why is that?

Do something today, or at least before the week is over.

 

[Smurfslayer]

There is a startling lack of telephone, email, and writing activity on behalf of these bills.

Why is that?

Do something today, or at least before the week is over.

Failing to do so would not only not be THR, failing to do so would be
Malum inse!

 

[Malum Prohibitum]

Malum in se!

Two more days before the week is out . . .