national match trigger
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"national match" triggers are usually set near the 4.5 lb limit for NRA service rifle and CMP competition. they're also 2 stage, and otherwise look like a standard trigger. usually much more crisp than standard.
if you're going to shoot that competition, then you need one. otherwise, any "match" trigger will give you a better feel than the standard, though they are almost all less reliable than the standard
if you're going to shoot that competition, then you need one. otherwise, any "match" trigger will give you a better feel than the standard, though they are almost all less reliable than the standard
rskent
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“Less reliable", probably.
Unreliable, I don’t think so.
Much easier to shoot, absolutely.
Worth the price,you have to decide that.
I have only had a problem with one trigger. It lost weight. It probably got down to 3 ½ lbs before I noticed it and checked the weight.
It cost about $30 at the time for a new set of springs. All better. I think it took about five years for the springs to start to lose weight.
To me it’s not a big deal, just routine maintenance.
Steve
Unreliable, I don’t think so.
Much easier to shoot, absolutely.
Worth the price,you have to decide that.
I have only had a problem with one trigger. It lost weight. It probably got down to 3 ½ lbs before I noticed it and checked the weight.
It cost about $30 at the time for a new set of springs. All better. I think it took about five years for the springs to start to lose weight.
To me it’s not a big deal, just routine maintenance.
Steve
kaferhaus
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No replacement for a good trigger. Standard AR triggers suck. The NM triggers are much better, the "varmint" triggers are the cat's meow. But spendy indeed.
W.E.G.
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What lower parts kit is offering a national match trigger?
If its Rock River, its a good deal, and a good trigger.
If its Bubba-Brand, you might wanna watch out.
If its Rock River, its a good deal, and a good trigger.
If its Bubba-Brand, you might wanna watch out.
madcratebuilder
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I have installed several different two stage FCG's on my guns and other guys guns. I'm firmly sold on the ArmaLite two stage trigger. The ArmaLite two stage LPK is $120. ArmaLite has a few tech notes on the site on how to hand tune these triggers. When hand tuned, these well meet or beat any after market trigger on the market. Plus you have a user adjustable weight with a simple spring position change. No additional moving parts, no screws to come loose.
The RRA was a rep for loosing it's two stages, this is from wear on the disco. The RRA uses a very narrow disco, the ArmaLite uses a disco that's three-four times as wide of contact surface, no wear issues.
The RRA was a rep for loosing it's two stages, this is from wear on the disco. The RRA uses a very narrow disco, the ArmaLite uses a disco that's three-four times as wide of contact surface, no wear issues.
if you're shooting 3-gun, you want a single stage trigger, not a two-stage trigger. the "national match" would be a poor choice. if you want a really cool 3gun trigger, look at the geissele super-dynamic 3gun trigger. I have two of them and am very happy so far. If you want a cheaper, reliable trigger that feels a lot better than the standard trigger but not quite as good as the match, look at geissele's SSA.
most of the "match" triggers are "less reliable" because they add all sorts of springs and screws for adjustments so they can be tuned. they break more often than they should.
most of the "match" triggers are "less reliable" because they add all sorts of springs and screws for adjustments so they can be tuned. they break more often than they should.
a co worker recommended the RRA with national match trigger... I have 5 weeks left of a 6 week wait for a custom AR lower for my son... I got custom serial number for him (his name and b-day is the serial number) I've never built an AR and wanted opinions if they are worth the cost.... my co worker told me the RRA kit includes national match trigger..... I also found another LPK from PSA that includes magpul stock and regular trigger for the same price...
kaferhaus
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RRA sells their LPKs two ways, with or without the match trigger. The match trigger kit is about $90 more.
My Varmint AR sports a Jewel trigger. Best trigger in the world but very expensive at over $200
My Varmint AR sports a Jewel trigger. Best trigger in the world but very expensive at over $200
i'm not sure how a trigger can make you into a good shooter.... that's all about alot of things mainly putting the front sight on the target so you can hit what you are intending to hit... no matter how sweet a trigger you got... practice, training and putting rounds down range...
CraigC
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No, a trigger won't do it for you but a good one makes things SOOOOOO much easier.
For sure training helps but a good trigger will improve groups, yeah if your happy with 2-3 inch groups you can do that with any trigger but precision shooting requires a quality trigger:
Any gun, shot out barrel,poor trigger will "put rounds down range", if that is your only goal equipment doesn't matter.
CraigC
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And work harder than necessary in the process. 10lbs yes, gritty no.
P-32
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Could be but I'm going to argue. Those who shoot the 2 stage triggers have not suggested usng the Armalite. does it make it a bad trigger? No ,but HP shooters will pass on what they have found to work. Why is the RRA 2 stage so popular? Because they work. Why is the Geissele 2 stage so popular? Because they work.
I have had a WOP mtuned RRA quit on me during a match. Yes I was upset. But it's not the end of the world. I happened to have a spare WOP tuned rra 2 stage trigger in my bag of parts and got back into the game. I sent the bad trigger back to WOP and it was retuned for free. While the problem trigger was gone, I bought a Geissle. What a great trigger!
This was the original post and the poster wanted to know if a match trigger is worth the difference and my answer is yes,while a good trigger may not help a poor shooter it will help/improve all the rest. Shooters if they want to improve should always strive to learn and practice but the idea better equipment does not help is at best naive or the person making the comment never had a good trigger. Consider the fact that most competitors strive to have the best equipment that includes pistol shooters.
HILLBILLY-06
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Yeah, I second that statement about him being naive, and probably never having a good trigger. AND if you think a trigger alone is expensive, try buying everything you need to compete in High Power Service Rifle Matches. My Armalite M15A2 NM, came with the two stage. My Bushmaster standard Patrolman Carbine and S&W M&P 15T did not. I tested this "trigger theory" by putting my Armalite Lower Unit on ALL THREE of those rifles to see how the shooting groups were affected, or not affected.
In my case, having all my equipment handy, I fired each rifle as purchased, then fired each rifle with the Armalite Lower unit. It made a huge difference in the shot groups in this test. Granted the other rifles were not (NM) rifles, they shot very nice with the two stage Armalite trigger group. So I purchased two of them and put them into the other two rifles. They both still shoot so much better now than when they had the factory triggers. So, I believe, because I tried it myself and saw the difference in "the rifle" factor, as I was already a good shooter. That's my .02 cents anyway.
In my case, having all my equipment handy, I fired each rifle as purchased, then fired each rifle with the Armalite Lower unit. It made a huge difference in the shot groups in this test. Granted the other rifles were not (NM) rifles, they shot very nice with the two stage Armalite trigger group. So I purchased two of them and put them into the other two rifles. They both still shoot so much better now than when they had the factory triggers. So, I believe, because I tried it myself and saw the difference in "the rifle" factor, as I was already a good shooter. That's my .02 cents anyway.
CraigC
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Most shooters just don't know any better. Lawyers have been waging war on good triggers for years. As a result, most new guns have atrocious factory triggers. Rather than spending the money to correct this, I think most shooters have just made do with them. Which I think has led many to believe that they don't need a nice and crisp 2-3lb trigger. Much less any lighter. Which is sad because most who believe that will never even try a "good" trigger and find out just how much more enjoyable it makes your shooting. Not to mention how much easier it is to shoot any firearm more accurately if the trigger is "good". I've never heard anyone say that they regretted getting a good trigger, whether it was a drop-in group like with an AR or a professional action job on a handgun. Except that they will never be able to go back to factory triggers ever again.
Tex4426
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got a rock river nm trigger with parts kit of gun broker for 130....100% worth it...you will gain accuracy for target shooting...very crisp break...love it
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