National Parks bill moving to Senate - Perhaps tomorrow

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National Parks bill passes House and Senate

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30832809/

Bill allows loaded guns in national parks
Congress is moving to restore a Bush administration policy


WASHINGTON - The Democratic-controlled Congress is moving to restore a Bush administration policy that allowed loaded guns in national parks.

The Senate voted Tuesday to allow guns in national parks and wildlife refuges, and the House could follow suit as soon as Wednesday.

The measure is included in a popular bill imposing new restrictions on credit card companies. Democratic leaders have said they hope to send a final version to the White House for the president's signature by week's end.The Senate vote is a stark reversal from what many gun-control advocates expected when a federal judge blocked the Bush policy in March. The decision reinstated restrictions that had been in place since the Reagan administration. The rules severely restrict guns in the national parks, generally requiring them to be locked or stored.

The Obama administration accepted the March 19 ruling, saying that the Interior Department would review the policy over the next several months.

That timetable changed quickly last week after Oklahoma Sen. Tom Coburn inserted an amendment to the credit card bill that would allow concealed, loaded guns in parks and refuges.

Amendment easily passed
To the surprise of many, the amendment easily passed, winning support from 67 senators — including 27 Democrats. Among those who voted "yes" was Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, who had blocked Coburn's amendment from coming to the Senate floor for more than a year. Seven other Western Democrats voted with Reid to support the Republican senator's amendment, which allows a range of firearms in national parks and wildlife refuges as long as they are allowed by federal, state and local law.

Spokesman Jim Manley said Reid is a strong supporter of the Second Amendment, adding that the guns in parks issue was a major concern for many Nevadans.

"The rules that apply to our federal lands are felt acutely in Nevada, where 87 percent of the state's land is managed by federal agencies," Manley said.

The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, which sued to block the Bush policy, called the Senate vote reckless. The group called on President Barack Obama to demand that the gun provision be stripped from the credit card bill.

"Families should not have to stare down loaded AK-47s on nature hikes," said Brady campaign president Paul Helmke. "The president should not remain silent while Congress inserts reckless gun policies that he strongly opposes into a bill that has nothing whatsoever to do with guns."

Rep. Raul Grijalva, D-Ariz., chairman of a national parks subcommittee, said the measure would make parks more dangerous and urged House Democratic leaders to strip the amendment from the final bill.

Described as 'gotcha amendment'
Grijalva called the measure a "gotcha amendment" aimed at demonstrating the power of the National Rifle Association. Still, he acknowledged, it is likely to pass, given the pro-gun rights majorities in both the House and Senate.

"It's uphill. We know that," Grijalva said at a news conference Tuesday.

Democratic leaders said there was not enough time to send the bill to a House-Senate conference committee — where presumably it could be removed without a vote — and still get it to Obama by Memorial Day as he has requested.

Chris W. Cox, chief lobbyist for the NRA, called Grijalva's comments offbase.

"The National Rifle Association doesn't set the legislative calendar, and certainly doesn't determine which amendments are allowed to be offered or not offered in either the House or the Senate," he said.

Coburn said the gun measure protects every American's Second Amendment rights and also protects the rights of states to pass laws that apply to their entire state, including public lands."Visitors to national parks should have the right to defend themselves in accordance with the laws of their states," Coburn said.

House Democratic Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., told reporters on Tuesday that the House could vote separately on the gun legislation. Doing so would allow each measure to pass, but Democrats who endorse credit card reform could still vote as they wished on the gun measure.

If the two measures are passed separately as expected, they would be rejoined before being sent to the president as a single bill, Hoyer said.
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My wife works for the National Park Service in Virginia. You would be amazed at the amount of crime,violent and nonviolent that occurs in the park system.Law enforcement rangers aren't armed just for looks. Some of the larger parks out west actually have their own holding cells on park property. Of course the president,senators and congressmen have their own government protectors so that's why they like to vote against such bills. We have only ourselves to protect us and our families.BTW,my wife hates Obama and calls him nothing less than a lier,a cheat and a socialist.
 
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I didn't know Nat'l parks had so much crime. That's interesting.


Did you like the part where the Brady Campaign said there will now be AK-47's in Nat'l Parks?


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Ak's in the parks. Please give us break. I tell you what,I would never camp in a National Park. I 'm not sure if crime info is available to the public for the parks,but trust me you would truly be surprised.Count your blessings if you visit them and nothing happens to you or your valuables.Especially in the bigger parks and those close to major cities like Philly. I saw some of the crime stats in a few of the parks in Virginia and Arizona and was shocked.And those fools worry about law abiding,licensed visitors having a firearm.Then again what else should we expect?
 
Ask Paul Helmke how many AK-47s you see in the hands of the citizens of Virgin, Utah, right outside of Zion National Park, where there is a law that all households will have a firearm.

In all fairness, it IS pretty likely that you might see some of us riding horses down the street with .45s on our belts. :)
 
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http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aPHyR5ad7hOk&refer=home


Last Updated: May 20, 2009 10:55 EDT

By Roger Runningen and Jeff Plungis

May 20 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama would sign legislation to curb credit-card fees even if it contains a provision allowing visitors to U.S. national parks to carry guns, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said today.

The Senate passed the credit-card measure yesterday. The House of Representatives has begun debating the measure and is scheduled to hold a final vote today.

Obama’s acceptance of the gun amendment removes an obstacle to the credit-card legislation becoming law.

Senator Tom Coburn, an Oklahoma Republican who offered the gun amendment, said the provision is necessary to reduce crime in the parks. The amendment, approved on a 67-29 vote on May 12, would prohibit the federal government from barring weapons in national parks where they are allowed by state law.

The Obama administration said last month it wouldn’t challenge a court ruling reinstating 26-year-old restrictions on guns in the parks. The ruling by a U.S. District judge blocked a Bush administration order allowing firearms that was backed by the National Rifle Association.

The gun amendment was attached to credit-card legislation sought by Obama that would require lenders to apply payments to balances with the highest interest rates first. It would also prohibit increasing a consumer’s rate on existing balances based on late payments to another lender, a practice known as “universal default.”

The House, which approved a version of the credit-card bill on April 30 by a 357-70 vote, later today will hold separate votes on the credit-card measure and the gun amendment.

To contact the reporter on this story: Roger Runningen in Washington [email protected]; Jeff Plungis in Washington at [email protected].

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OMG Harry Reid voted yes? Still doesn't mean i won't vote against him in his reelection in 2010.
What we really need next is to have someone slip in an amendment to repeal the hughes amendment in some bill like this. I mean the NFA is just about taxes right? That is the only reason is is constitutionally allowed to exist. In the bad economic times why block a tax revenue that people would gladly pay.
 
The bill has passed the house. Credit reform and National Park carry is on it's way to the President's desk. Obama has said he will sign it even with the National Park carry amendment.
 
This is very good with an asterisk.*

*This does NOT mean we should become complacent or let D.C. think for one second that we are going to let up and give them some credit to pass anti-gun legislation in the future in the spirit of 'compromise'.
 
*This does NOT mean we should become complacent or let D.C. think for one second that we are going to let up and give them some credit to pass anti-gun legislation in the future in the spirit of 'compromise'.

Is that a pun?

All joking aside this IS a big victory considering all those who were for the amendment, some surprising names.
 
Well, I'll definitely be doing some traveling through my state [strike]this summer[/strike] 9 months from now! Let's see, we'll be in Asheville [strike]this coming weekend[/strike] next March. Another trip to the Carl Sandburg Home is a must. In June of 2010, we're thinking of going to Manteo. Yeah, we'll head for Kill Devil Hills and the Wright Brothers National memorial. And then, there's... :evil:

http://usparks.about.com/blpknc.htm
 
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This is indeed a great victory for the 2nd Amendment supporters. It's victories like this that better position us to fight the mega battles yet still looming; Eg: primer stamping, classifying reloaders as ammo manufacturers, and the AWB, and other such silly nonsense.

IMO it was a stroke of genius to attach the Coburn Amendment to this credit card bill...a bill that was almost guarenteed to sail through both houses with overwhelming majorities. Yea for us! :)
 
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I'm open-carrying through the city of Springdale into the front gate of Zion National Park to celebrate.

Let me know when, I'd love a piece of that!

:D
 
The bill goes into effect 9 months after signing. We should expect the carry to be allowed towards the end of February 2010.
 
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