Navy Seals Condone 9mm

[Serpico]

I held the elevator door for a SEAL back in 86 and he didn't even say "thank you"...I then asked him what floor and he told me to mind my own business, and that his floor was classified....he then knocked me out so I would not see where he got off...hit my twice in the chest and twice on the head....once on the chest would have sufficed....and I don't know what floor in the mall could have been classified...

 

[Beorn]

My father was a SEAL in Viet Nam. A Medic to be precise. He carried either a grease gun and a .45 or a m37 shotgun and a .45. But then again, this was the late 60s early 70s.

And my father,who has been for decades now a Presbyterian Minister, can pray for your body and soul, heal your body and soul, or send your body and soul to their next repast.

And THAT folks, is why I was a well behaved child...

 

[Minute_Of_Torso]

I was in the Navy but about as far away from being a SEAL as you could get . . . fat, lazy, nuclear engineer. I've only known one SEAL in my entire life and he retired long before I was in high school (one of the UDT's that got trained/transferred to SEAL). Anyway, he's as humble, gentle, and quiet as any man I've ever met. An ordained minister who makes SEAL duty (in some VERY HOT areas) sound like it was shore duty in Pearl Harbor . . . ho hum.

Anyway, I really don't think the issue with these hardcore guys is so much caliber. .45 v. 9mm - I'm sure each man has his own personal preference but I'm pretty sure that you could give a SEAL a sharp, pointy stick and he could kill me six times before I hit the ground (probably even do it without the stick), but I'm certainly not the standard training model of the bad guy.

Never been there, never done that but if they like 9mm (or not) I'm not going to argue with them. It's good enough for me and my family of three but that's a long way from HALO jumps and foreign shores.

 

[Drjones]

I got about halfway down the thread, and stopped in dismay that these points haven't been brought up:

1) Two shots in the head, and two in the heart will stop pretty much ANYONE no matter the caliber of your gun. The fact that the SEALs drop someone with up to four shots (or so this guy says) is NOT a selling point of the 9mm to me.

We all know it would only take one .45 to do someone in properly!

Seriously though, a .45 to the noggin'll do anyone in good.

2) Re: the officer who shot someone in the stomach, that seems to me to be VERY poor training for several reasons:

a) Stomach wounds take a LONG time to kill someone. They are excruciatingly painful, and a lot of blood loss is what causes the death, not sudden trauma like a head/heart shot. Was this guy absent during COM training?

b) He only shot him once. :banghead:

Of course I may be wrong....

 

[Triad]

Drjones, I've seen that video and I'd have to say he wasn't poorly trained. He did VERY WELL considering the situation.

 

[Justin]

Seriously though, a .45 to the noggin'll do anyone in good.

Um, so will a 9. I don't think you get extra points for making them extra dead.


Honestly, if the 9mm were so ineffective I think it would have gone the way of the Dodo long ago...or been relegated to being a curio round. But that's just my opinion.

 

[twoblink]

As they say in the real estate business; the most important thing is: "Location Location Location!" I mean shot location

Whatever you are good with, is an effective tool. I personally hate the 9mm, but if the right hands (which means not mine) it's effective.

 

[chevrofreak]

Drjones, I've seen that video and I'd have to say he wasn't poorly trained. He did VERY WELL considering the situation.

i would have to agree. he was stuck between a car and the guard rail, with about 2 feet to maneuver, plus he was only using one hand IIRC

what amazed me is that the man who was shot didnt even bleed from the bullet hole.

 

[rebbryan]

"a) Stomach wounds take a LONG time to kill someone. They are excruciatingly painful, and a lot of blood loss is what causes the death, not sudden trauma like a head/heart shot. Was this guy absent during COM training? "

believe it or not the cops aren't trying to kill everyone

 

[Bainx]

Of course they do, they have no choice as individuals. The powers that be at the top choose what weapons are issued to their outfit.

Heck, if they were issued .22s, I suppose they would condone them also!

 

[Destructo6]

i would have to agree. he was stuck between a car and the guard rail, with about 2 feet to maneuver, plus he was only using one hand IIRC

what amazed me is that the man who was shot didnt even bleed from the bullet hole.

He got himself between the guard rail and car; it was a poor decision. You could hear the cop closest to the camera saying, "stop, hey, don't do that..." I can't fault him for popping the guy once he took a swipe at him with the knife.

The lack of blood amazed me, too. Not only was he not bleeding, but he didn't seem to be in a ton of pain. The cop was pretty sure he'd missed.

Saw another one over the weekend that was a liquor store shootout. One of the badguys was shot in the chest/ab at close range while his buddy shot the clerk. The BG with the gunshot wound leapt back over the counter, pulled up his shirt and had to look before exclaiming that he thought he was shot. Both BGs ran out the door and drove away. Shot BG died not long after. Liquor store clerk paralyzed.

 

[JShirley]

Honestly, if the 9mm were so ineffective I think it would have gone the way of the Dodo long ago...or been relegated to being a curio round.

Interesting to remember that many European police agencies thought .32 ACP was sufficient for years...and, heck- James Bond used one! We've all been chasing the wrong calibers!

 

[jon1481]

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