Uncle Mike
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You would kill a groundhog if it were on a golf course...!?!
I say let the whistle pigs have the golf courses, shoot the .... never mind.
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You would kill a groundhog if it were on a golf course...!?!
I say let the whistle pigs have the golf courses, shoot the .... never mind.
Uncle Mike
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HEHEHEHEHEHE
Think of all the fun stuff we could do with all those useless golf courses. And I mean there is a LOT of them!
Think of all the fun stuff we could do with all those useless golf courses. And I mean there is a LOT of them!
I don't have a .35 Remington, but I've been tempted by a 336 in the chambering.
Any opinions about the .35?
I've read everything from "forget the .30-30! Get the .35," all the way to "the .35 has a lousy trajectory for deer, but isn't big enough for elk, so just get the .30-30."
Any opinions about the .35?
I've read everything from "forget the .30-30! Get the .35," all the way to "the .35 has a lousy trajectory for deer, but isn't big enough for elk, so just get the .30-30."
BushyGuy
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i have the most important calibers in my gun safe and 1 as u listed is on layaway for my deer rifle for next year i used the 12 gauge this year with slugs-last year i used my Model 70 (sold).
most important SHTF calibers (IMHO) heres what i have already
.22lr-Savage semi-auto rifle
9mm-Ruger SR9and Taurus PT92c
12 gauge-Rem 870
.223 REM-Bushmaster
30-30 Win (coming soon to my safe)-Model 94AE
i need two more to complete my list
.308-Ruger or Winchester
.45 acp-Taurus or Ruger
most important SHTF calibers (IMHO) heres what i have already
.22lr-Savage semi-auto rifle
9mm-Ruger SR9and Taurus PT92c
12 gauge-Rem 870
.223 REM-Bushmaster
30-30 Win (coming soon to my safe)-Model 94AE
i need two more to complete my list
.308-Ruger or Winchester
.45 acp-Taurus or Ruger
R.W.Dale
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After you own a 35 chambered levergun particularly a 336 you'll throw rocks at the same gun chambered for 30-30 and yes I've owned both.
Or just listen to what the folks who've owned both say.
9 in 10 of those will choose the .35 every time
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I have a reprint of vintage Buzzacott, wherein he writes that the .30-30 is really only good for small game. This was in 1913. So you're not alone in your opinion. I'm just curious about the specific reasons that people like the .35.
I've hunted and killed deer and black bear for several years with a .35 Rem.. Distances out to 150 yds. It has better knock-down power than the .30-30. I use 150gr. Remington Core-Lokt for deer and 200gr. for bear. I hear the Hornady LEVERevolution ammo is good but I don't know first-hand.
R.W.Dale
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1 If you reload bullets are WAY cheaper 38/357 bullets shoot great
2 significantly more powerful than 30-30 giving you a good 50 to 75 yds more range should you need it
3 a bigger hole is always better
4 used Marlin 30-30's are a dime a dozen, but you almost never have trouble getting your asking price when sellin a 35
5 without a pesky rim a 336 is way easier to load when it's chambered for 35
6 wal mart sells ammo for both so why settle for ground beef when for a couple dollars more you can eat steak.
This isn't saying the 30-30 is crap but it is saying that the same rifle for 35remington is just much better
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I have a reprint of vintage Buzzacott, wherein he writes that the .30-30 is really only good for small game. This was in 1913. So you're not alone in your opinion. I'm just curious about the specific reasons that people like the .35.
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Having for years hunted hogs and deer and taken a few black bear with .30-30 ( and ancient 336 I've owned for better than 35 years) I'd have to dispute his statement , though I may well agree with the folks stating that a .35 is better. I've just never found a reason to purchase a .35 since I already own the 336 and a Guide Gun in .45-70.
And the .45-70 is going up for sale , the .30-30 I'll keep forever , though my son keeps trying to talk me out of it since he shot both his first deer and first hog with it.
It's still a relatively decent brush gun , though admittedly useless much beyond the 125 yard mark and I tend to try and keep shots with it to a 100 yards or under.
I have a reprint of vintage Buzzacott, wherein he writes that the .30-30 is really only good for small game. This was in 1913. So you're not alone in your opinion. I'm just curious about the specific reasons that people like the .35.
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Having for years hunted hogs and deer and taken a few black bear with .30-30 ( and ancient 336 I've owned for better than 35 years) I'd have to dispute his statement , though I may well agree with the folks stating that a .35 is better. I've just never found a reason to purchase a .35 since I already own the 336 and a Guide Gun in .45-70.
And the .45-70 is going up for sale , the .30-30 I'll keep forever , though my son keeps trying to talk me out of it since he shot both his first deer and first hog with it.
It's still a relatively decent brush gun , though admittedly useless much beyond the 125 yard mark and I tend to try and keep shots with it to a 100 yards or under.
don't have a .35 Remington, but I've been tempted by a 336 in the chambering.
Any opinions about the .35?
I've read everything from "forget the .30-30! Get the .35," all the way to "the .35 has a lousy trajectory for deer, but isn't big enough for elk, so just get the .30-30."
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Perfectly viable brush caliber , a bit oddball nowadays but if you run across a decent deal grab it up. I've already got a .30-30 so personally I don't need another brush rifle in the .30 or .30 plus range. You might consider just going to .45-70 if you want a lever action brush type gun. More expense in powder and lead ,more recoil ,but a bigger slug and more power. I've nothing but good things to say about the Guide Gun I bought a few years back ,even though I'm currently cutting down ( who really needs 20 rifles?) to maybe half a dozen 'keepers'.
Any opinions about the .35?
I've read everything from "forget the .30-30! Get the .35," all the way to "the .35 has a lousy trajectory for deer, but isn't big enough for elk, so just get the .30-30."
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Perfectly viable brush caliber , a bit oddball nowadays but if you run across a decent deal grab it up. I've already got a .30-30 so personally I don't need another brush rifle in the .30 or .30 plus range. You might consider just going to .45-70 if you want a lever action brush type gun. More expense in powder and lead ,more recoil ,but a bigger slug and more power. I've nothing but good things to say about the Guide Gun I bought a few years back ,even though I'm currently cutting down ( who really needs 20 rifles?) to maybe half a dozen 'keepers'.
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Maverick223
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Not talking about SHTF, unless you think hunting zombie deer is a possibility...just plain 'ole huntin'. I have a whole different list (though some are repeats) for social engagements.BushyGuy said:
I guess I fall somewhere in between, I like both, but have to give the .30-30 the nod due to commonality and inexpensive cartridges (assuming no reloading). Despite the slight size and power difference I don't believe that either has any significant advantage (offers more versatility) over the other.krochus said:
+1, great stuff, and relatively inexpensive for the .45-70, unfortunately not as cheap for the .30-30 (when compared to other .30-30 hunting cartridges).ArmedBear said:
Thank you all for commenting and sharing your views.
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Maverick223
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Great cartridge, but not good enough to do everything in NA (think squirrel and kodiak), though it may be good enough for your area and the game you pursue.
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I'm a hunter, and I'm all about function, so here's my list:
1. .22 for plinking, squirrels, plinking, teaching daughters, starting new shooters
2. 30-30 for deer. It is a 99% solution; most of the time a 100% solution
3. .270 for those late season hunts when I can see a lot further (though a 308 or 30-06 will do as well)
4. 45/70 - because I want a Marlin 1895 so chambered, for flattening deer near briars, and in case I get to go bear hunting in Alaska...
I see the 30-30 disparaged by folks who think themselves informed.
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Some tout the .35 as being greatly superior, which it is not. I've shot and hunted wtih both (I own a 30-30). If starting from scratch - and you reload? - a .35 is slightly more potent choice, but the diff is inconsequential for deer hunting. The idea - did someone put it forward? - the idea that the .35 is a longer-ranged rifle is misleading and incorrect.
Heartshot with 30-30 (150gr Federals) last week at about 150 yards -
1. .22 for plinking, squirrels, plinking, teaching daughters, starting new shooters
2. 30-30 for deer. It is a 99% solution; most of the time a 100% solution
3. .270 for those late season hunts when I can see a lot further (though a 308 or 30-06 will do as well)
4. 45/70 - because I want a Marlin 1895 so chambered, for flattening deer near briars, and in case I get to go bear hunting in Alaska...
I see the 30-30 disparaged by folks who think themselves informed.
heh heh heh
Some tout the .35 as being greatly superior, which it is not. I've shot and hunted wtih both (I own a 30-30). If starting from scratch - and you reload? - a .35 is slightly more potent choice, but the diff is inconsequential for deer hunting. The idea - did someone put it forward? - the idea that the .35 is a longer-ranged rifle is misleading and incorrect.
Heartshot with 30-30 (150gr Federals) last week at about 150 yards -
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Maverick223
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They just don't know any better.
Not bad choices, all are on the list save for one honorable mention.Hey Yellowtail3, what's that animal under your .30-30?
99% solution? LOL Not here.
Still, I wouldn't disparage the .30-30 for what it does well. That's just not anything I can count on, in the Intermountain West. Sometimes, it would be just the ticket, but its limitations could just as soon cost you the opportunity to take a shot. We can see a lot farther than it will shoot -- and so can the deer, which can be over 400 lbs. I work with a woman who bagged a DOE that weighed over 400 lbs., two years ago, at 400 yards, because they just wouldn't let anyone get closer, and the season was about to end. That's not exactly a .30-30's forte.
Oh, yeah... We get one tag per season, unless we are willing to pay $300 for a second one... No tromping around in the woods just harvesting whatever we see, here.
But... I was merely quoting Buzzacott (a really worthwhile read -- really funny in 2009).
The only point is that the idea that a .30-30 is all you ever need and is good for almost everything is something that many people didn't believe, even 100 years ago.
I do like Marlin lever guns, and that's why I'd end up with a .30-30 -- not because I set out to acquire a gun in the caliber.
99% solution? LOL Not here.
Still, I wouldn't disparage the .30-30 for what it does well. That's just not anything I can count on, in the Intermountain West. Sometimes, it would be just the ticket, but its limitations could just as soon cost you the opportunity to take a shot. We can see a lot farther than it will shoot -- and so can the deer, which can be over 400 lbs. I work with a woman who bagged a DOE that weighed over 400 lbs., two years ago, at 400 yards, because they just wouldn't let anyone get closer, and the season was about to end. That's not exactly a .30-30's forte.
Oh, yeah... We get one tag per season, unless we are willing to pay $300 for a second one... No tromping around in the woods just harvesting whatever we see, here.
But... I was merely quoting Buzzacott (a really worthwhile read -- really funny in 2009).
The only point is that the idea that a .30-30 is all you ever need and is good for almost everything is something that many people didn't believe, even 100 years ago.
I do like Marlin lever guns, and that's why I'd end up with a .30-30 -- not because I set out to acquire a gun in the caliber.
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Uncle Mike
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Well, I'm all hung up on the 338-06 now...with side thoughts of the 338 Federal!
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Maverick223
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Have to agree with that...it is a great cartridge, but I don't believe it is a 99% solution for anywhere (even here in NC), and the list was compiled to represent NA as a whole not one region. That said, I stand behind it as one of the greatest hunting cartridges due to its strong points and cost-effectiveness.
.338-06 gets my vote...furgit them newfangled Federales.
.338 Federal velocities are okay for a light rifle, but they're not going to give the .338 WinMag a run for its money.
What's really impressive about the .338-06 is that it seems to deliver 165 grain .30-06 velocities, but with 200 grain bullets.
What's really impressive about the .338-06 is that it seems to deliver 165 grain .30-06 velocities, but with 200 grain bullets.
Krochus
At least in their standard commercial form (Remchesteral and others), the 30-30 and 35 Rem are ballistic twins, I do not really see any significant more power for the 35.
A 200 gr. 35 bullet has worse SD and BC compared to a 170 gr. 30-30 pill
I really did not expect by a person with your knowledge to mention the argument "a bigger hole is better".....come on a difference between a .30 and a .35 cal???!!!
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