Need a bolt rifle recommendation for 7.62x39

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OpelBlitz said:
No one's mentioned the Australian International Arms M10-A2
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I'm glad somebody else is thinking outside the square. Buy an Aussie gun today and help build up the Australian firearm industry! After all, a strong ally is the only sort of ally to have, America.

Sorry, I absolutely had to toot that particular horn.

The 527 carbine sounds like a top choice as well. I have a .22 452 lux and if that is anything to go by, the cz level of quality is fantastic.
 
I thought you Aussie's weren't allowed anything bigger than .22 CB caps! :D

Seriously though, I've never heard of Australian International Arms. They appear to be sporting rifles based off the Enfield, correct?
 
I bought a CZ 527 in March 2008. I fitted it with a 2 1/2 X scope and with 5 rounds it weighs 6.6 pounds. The groups average under 2 inches at 100 yards. I have shot .850 with a reload ( Sierra 125 ), and 1.080 with wolf steel 124 fmj mil classic, as best groups. A surprise result of a Hornady 100 gr, 312 dia. XTP handgun bullet and H110 powder, gave 1 3/4 groups at 2437 feet/second ! Would seem to be an explosive varmit load. 123 rn Prvi Partzan at 2508 ft/sec, av. just about 2 inches at 100 yds, and might be a fine woods brush round.
With a more powerful scope and maybe younger eyes (I'me 68 ), I am sure better results could be had. I have sold off ALL my other rifles but this one ! The steel case mil ammo is cheap for plinking, and the 125 Sierra handload or the 125 rn Prvi factory would be fine for hunting and varmiting. The action is smooth and the whole gun is a delight.
Love it ! Rollie
 
Having a 7.62 x 39 that shoots 1/2 MOA is nice, but not the norm. Most won't hold 4MOA with milsurp ammo.

It's why so many were dancing around the OP's request and scraping up the CZ - there aren't many good choices of bolt guns in the caliber. It's no better or worse than .30-30, but that's the point, they are 250 yard calibers.

Not long range bolt gun fodder.
 
bpl said:
Seriously though, I've never heard of Australian International Arms. They appear to be sporting rifles based off the Enfield, correct?
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You would be correct, bpl, except for the bit about CB's, we recently upgraded from CB's to the ever deadly .22 short :D. There are some small differences from the AIA designs to the original 'smellies' but the basic concept is there. They do have a website which is worth checking out, both for the OP and whoever else.

www.australianinternationalarms.com.au/
 
Roo,

AIA is notorious for being technologically challenged (e-mail and website communications). I've heard that the 7.62x39 models have actually been discontinued. I know that Marstar in Canada only carries the 7.62 NATO models.

Can you get the 7.62x39 AIA rifles Down Under?
 
find yourself a ruger. there not made anymore but there out there for sale. Usually around 500 bucks. Mine will shoot under an inch with hornady vmaxs at a 100 yards and when and if it ever breaks i dont have to deal with shoddy distributers. I can send it back to ruger and they will fix it.
 
I am somewhat surprised that 7.62X39 bolt guns have not been very popular. Some hunting types I know have asked me about it, knowing that I am a shooter of Ak's. They are intrigued by the cheapness of X39 ammo, even though they know its not the most intrinsically accurate round ever made.
 
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CornCod,

The reason 7.62x39 is "not the most intrinsically accurate round ever made" is because MOST of the available ammo is cheap lacquer-coated or steel-jacketed surplus. I think the lack of commercially available quality 7.62x39 hunting ammo has caused the gun makers to back away from bolt guns in this caliber. Ruger had an excellent rifle -- the M77 Mark II -- about 10 years ago (1,000 made, I think). The CZ isn't bad, but I'd like to see a 20"-24" barrel. Yes, I know that all of the powder burns in 18", BUT... just because the powder is all burned does NOT mean that pressure (and velocity) is not still increasing.

I've heard that the Remington Mini-Mauser 799 is a 20" format that is low on quality. CDNN has them on liquidation right now for $349 - special price ends today!
 
^^^What Lloyd Smale said. As posted earlier on this thread, my Ruger M77 would shoot five of my reloads into .75 inches at 100 yards.
 
CornCod said:
I am somewhat surprised that 7.62X39 bolt guns have not been very popular. Some hunting types I know have asked me about it, knowing that I am a shooter of Ak's. They are intrigued by the cheapness of X39 ammo, even though they know its not the most intrinsically accurate round ever made.
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Do I really really need to show you the 1/4 to 1/2 MOA 7.62x39mm groups I have?;)

You've got a few posts under your belt now surely you've seen em.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=6272324&postcount=39

People think 7.62x39 is inaccurate because the crappy ammo and even crappier guns so chambered are. This is NOT a reflection on the cartridge itself. In fact for all practical purposes (those who don't compete in benchrest) the entire notion of inherent accuracy is a sack full of warm gooey brown stuff shoveled apoun us buy gun writers over the past half century.
 
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Can you get the 7.62x39 AIA rifles Down Under?
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Are we allowed have them? Yes. Are they in ready supply? I would not know, I have not inquired.

The only 'in the flesh' AIA x39 I have seen is not a pure AIA build, instead being a custom rifle built around an AIA x39 action, owned by a lucky friend of mine. It shoots much better with commercial ammo, or atleast wolf brand stuff, than it does milsurp. No surprises there, though.

I'd say that the AIA guys are not necessarily bad with technology/communication, just very busy with the domestic market. Keep pestering them if it helps you sleep at night.
 
Are we allowed have them? Yes. Are they in ready supply? I would not know, I have not inquired.

The only 'in the flesh' AIA x39 I have seen is not a pure AIA build, instead being a custom rifle built around an AIA x39 action, owned by a lucky friend of mine. It shoots much better with commercial ammo, or atleast wolf brand stuff, than it does milsurp. No surprises there, though.

I'd say that the AIA guys are not necessarily bad with technology/communication, just very busy with the domestic market. Keep pestering them if it helps you sleep at night.
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I'm buying one right now here in the States. Only the 16" version was ever imported -- I wish it was the 20". From comments I hear by owners I should be real happy with it. It does look nicely finished.
 
I can say that CZ-USA now offers a picatinny/Weaver rail mount for the CZ527, as well. I am definately getting a 527 carbine, looking forward to this one.
 
OpelBlitz said:
No one's mentioned the Australian International Arms M10-A2 -- I love mine, but I'm trying to get rid of my rifles of the 7.62x39 caliber. Want it? :)

Shoots great, I can get between 1-2MOA. And contrary to most people's ramblings, I rarely, if ever, get FTF's. Accepts AK magazines and is a bit heavy.
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How much would this go for ?
 
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