Need a good 9mm Defense/Practise Ammo Combo

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I'm going to apply for a CCW permit and buy a Glock 29 mini 9mm.

Rather than practising with expensive premium defensive ammo I'm looking for a good combination where I can buy premium ammo to carry but practise with a cheaper (FMJ RN?) ammo to practise with that will have the same point-of-impact up to 25 feet.

Can anyone give me a suggestion of ONE premium ammo selection, say of Federal Hydroshok, PMC Starfire, Cor-bon, Speer, Hornady...

AND a cheaper practise ammo, say PMC, Winchester white box, American Eagle...

that will both shoot to the same point-of-impact at 25 feet or less?

Similar recoil would be really be nice too since I'll probably practise with double-taps.

Also, is it realistic to think that I could decide on a particular premium defensive ammo to stick with and then make reloads of RN FMJ to shoot at the same POI?

Given a choice, I think I'd like a medium weight 124gr bullet for both, but I'd take any good matching POI combo.

Thanks!
 
Buy Win White Box 115gr. JHP defense ammo. It's about $10-11 a box and makes a fine defensive round. That makes it cheap enough to practice with and use for defense.

Check www.ammolab.com if you don't believe me.
 
I have three loads I use for my 9mms. I carry gold dot 124+P, I function test the gun with the factory second bulk pack of gold dot, and I practice with winchester white box 100rd value pack. It works for me, and Ive never ahd issues with drastically different poi.
 
POA/POI won't vary much with any 9x19 load within, say, 25 yards unless you are using wildly differing loads.

I'd suggest S&B 124gr FMJ for practice and Winchester RA9TA 127gr +P+ for defense. That worked well in the CZ-75B and SIG P210 that I had.
 
Yeah, I feel that the Ranger 127 Gr +P+ is probably the best 9mm load for modern 9mms. The 124 Gr +P Gold Dots aren't too far behind and that is the load that I've carried the most. Georgia Arms loads the Gold Dots pretty hot and in bulk, is quite a bit cheaper than I can get Speers +P 9mm.

In all honesty, if you have the means to order 500 rounds at a time, I'd just get 500 rounds of the Georgia Arms Gold Dots for practice and carry. After that, S&B is good for practice. I've grown to prefer S&B to Winchester White Box myself.
 
The CCI Blazer for practice and Speer for defense is a top notch pair as the ballistics are essentially the same and will give similar "feel" when shooting.

The Blazer for practice is often on sale at places like Natchess.com..today it was about $4.59/box of 50 if bought in case (20 box) lots.
 
Hey Phorvick, nice to see you around!


I take it your having trouble getting into Glock-Guns also? I think I saw OD around here somewhere earlier...
 
Right now I'm making a transition from .38spl to 9mm as my primary. I like the Winchester 147gr Super-X STHP. Tomorrow I'm planning on comparing that round with Win's 147gr USA JHP. The USA is 1/2 the cost of the Super-X.

Not a reason to decide on a CC round, but it's way easier to find cheap 115gr 9mm than 124gr or 147gr. I would imagine that Sean Smith is correct that there's no real difference in POI between different 9mm rounds at SD ranges, would there be a difference in recoil between rounds with different bullet weights?
 
Winchester White Box 115gr fmj/Winchester 115gr Silvertips.

Though the silvertip has one of the highest (by some standards it should be +p) velocities of a non +p rated ammo, even at 75 feet the POI is the same as the std. fodder.

The results from your pistol may differ.
 
Walmart Whitebox - not as clean as they (or I) want it to be, but it's cheap! Just be sure to get something in the same weight as your personal protection round.

-Colin
 
I use the Winchester White Box 147 grain 9mm for practice and the Ranger T 147 for carry in my G26. I think that the Winchester White Box 147 HP ammo looks good and is priced right. As long as your practice ammo is the same weight/power level as your carry ammo you'll be in the same ball park. Just about any name brand ammo will do, however, I have had a strange occassional first rd feed problem with the Speer 147 FMJ in my G26 - when reloading from slide lock and releasing the slide (either by pulling the slide back or from the slide stop lever) the first rd will sometimes catch on the feed ramp and stop - never happened with any other ammo - may be the overall length of the cartridge ?? I'll have to measure and see (mags are good, btw)...my point is that YOUR pistol may or may not like a particular kind of ammo so start by buying a couple of boxes at a time before investing in a whole case - individual guns have their own likes and dislikes. Good choice with the G26, it's a very good pistol.

Ken
 
Igman 124gr 9mm seems to be pretty good stuff.I got a case at the gunshow for $84
I carry CorBon 125gr +p
 
http://www.ammoman.com/ has Speer Gold Dot cheap enough that I buy it by the case and then use it for 95% of the shooting I do in my carry pistol. (The other 5% is burning through random boxes of ammo I have, or trying stuff out for kicks.)
I feel as though being thoroughly familiar with the ammo is worth both the added expense while practicing, and any loss of performance I might have in a SD situation. (After all, its more about making holes in the BG than it is about having super whizz-bang ammo.)
 
RE: Ammoman bulk Gold Dots...

When I got mine, I noticed "Practice ammo" and "Not for LE use" on the box. I called Speer and they told me it was LE recalled ammo (they'd had a problem with some FTFs, a real low percentage but still unacceptable for LE or CCW.) They recommended using the bulk ammo at the range and the commercially available (20 rds/box) Gold Dots for CCW.
Scott
 
Right now I'm making a transition from .38spl to 9mm as my primary. I like the Winchester 147gr Super-X STHP. Tomorrow I'm planning on comparing that round with Win's 147gr USA JHP. The USA is 1/2 the cost of the Super-X.
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Well i must admit i dont know much about the subject, but the 147 WWB JHP looked decent here (number 44)..

http://ammolab.com/9mm_section1.htm

Not exactly ranger ammo, but its cheap and easy to get.
 
When I got mine, I noticed "Practice ammo" and "Not for LE use" on the box. I called Speer and they told me it was LE recalled ammo (they'd had a problem with some FTFs, a real low percentage but still unacceptable for LE or CCW.)
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Oh, I figured that they were just saying that for liability purposes. Well. Thats a bit of a bummer.
Thanks for letting me know.
 
I've bought several 250 round boxes of the reclassified Gold Dots... I was under the impression that they had possibly hard primers. I've never been told from any direct source that they would be likely to have feed or ejection problems that other 124 Gr +P Gold Dots were not likely to demonstrate... just the possibility of hard primers.

I never had a single failure in any of my known good guns... A Kahr and a Taurus PT99... Still wouldn't carry them in a CCW gun though.
 
I had a brain fart. Instead of "FTF" I should have said bad (hard) primers; Speer just said a very small percentage wouldn't go "BANG."
 
No problem... just wanted to help clear up something before it might have sent someone in the wrong direction.
 
the glock 29 is a 10mm gun-you want the g26

i haven't been around for a long time and i did not read all the posts, so here goes. my most favorite 9 mm of all time is silver bear 145 gr jhp. they also make a 115 gr jhp. my dearly departed g17 with a recoil reducer (efk firedragon) and a magazine full of silver bear 145 was, and i kid you not, point and shoot. there was a balance that i have not had since. double taps would routinely be under 1". i have a glock 30, now, with the efk dual spring guide and am playing with wolf 230 gr and winchester 185 gr beb. i am patiently waiting for rrarms.com to stock up on the silver bear in 115 and 145. i hope that this will spur others to look for silver bear and try it with a recoil reducer. happy trails--robby:D
 
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