Need a powder and bullet rec. for a 30-06

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JackTheRipper

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I'm going to be whitetail deer hunting this winter and I was sorta overwhelmed by how many powders there were on the market.. My ABCs of reloading recommended some, but I was curious if some of you guys and gals could recommend me a great premium powder for my 30-06...

also, I was thinking about buying a barnes tipped tsx bullet in a 150 grain or 168 grain for deer, any opinions on this?

I'm also looking into getting some Hornady SSTs...

thanks!

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Jack
 
My personal load for my M1 Garand is 48gr. IMR 4064 under a 165gr. SGK bullet seated to a OAL of 3.29" in a Fed. or Win. case. Sierra's accuracy load with this bullet @ 2,700fps
 
I have very good accuacy with 155 Amax's and Varget. I think developing a load with hunting 150's shouldn't be a problem.
 
The TSX is a great bullet. It thrives on speed and is long for the weight. It really kind of changes the rules. I have always preferred heavy-for-caliber bullets (180+ grains for the .30-06) but I think the 150 is probably the best weight for the TSX.

I have relied on Reloder 15 and 19 for years and still recommend it wholeheartedly, but have recently switched to Ramshot Hunter. This powder is cleaner burning than any I have tried and also reduces copper fouling. I have essentially stopped cleaning my primary .30-06 because it simply never needs it any more.

I have no experience with the SST as I dislike "blow-up" bullets and boat tails with a lead core. I have seen too many boat tails (even bonded ones) squirt the core out like toothpaste, and while the rapid expanders can be awesome with broadside heart/lung shots, they're not dependable enough for me to try shoulder shots and acutely quartering shots. YMMV, of course.
 
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I haven't deer hunted in several years due to physical reasons, but I have a friend that swears by the Hornady SST. He shoots that bullet with IMR 4350. He said that his last 11 deer he has taken none of them have run more than 10 yards before dropping. If I get the chance to go this year that is the load I plan on using in my '06.
 
My personal load for my M1 Garand is 48gr. IMR 4064 under a 165gr. SGK bullet seated to a OAL of 3.29" in a Fed. or Win. case. Sierra's accuracy load with this bullet @ 2,700fps

I use this exact same load. Works well out of a Garand and 2 different Rem700s

Paper punching load for bolt rifle is 46.7gr 4064 pushing 168gr Nosler CustomComp BTHP. Winchester brass, CCI BR primers, 2.703 OAL to ogive, which puts it .005 off the lands. This is load produces consistent 1 hole groups
 
barnes tipped tsx bullet
My experience is that deer are not that hard to kill. Hit them in the boiler room with a SP hunting bullet and they die, period.
The TSX and other premium bullets cost a buck a pop, and may in fact not kill a deer as fast as a good old Rem Cor-Lokt or Win Silver-Tip.

Those bullets have been refined for over 3/4 century to work perfectly on deer size game animals.

The TSX solid copper, or bonded core, partition, plastic tipped, wonder bullets would better serve on truly big game that require less expansion and deeper penetration then a 150 pound deer!!

But thats just me.

rc
 
I've had good luck regarding deer with the Hornady 178gr Amax bullet. It is actually one of the few Match bullets that perform well on game. Have used both IMR4895 and IMR4831 behind this bullet.

Don
 
I use H4350 for my bolt action 30-06 ammo. I shoot a 168gr MatchKing for practice and use a 165gr GameKing on deer. Both bullet are so close in size, shape and weight there's no need to change the powder, charge weight or OAL. The scope adjustment is the same too.
 
Plus 1 for RCModel

You didn't say what sort of launch vehicle you're using but Core Lockt and Game King still do what they were designed to do - and they do it quite well.

Most hunters I know would benefit far more from worrying about placement than how to deliver more kill power - not to mention the benefit to the deer and the quality of low adrenalin meat.

Scott
 
I've killed about 50 deer with the 150gr and 168gr SST's and another 30 or so with the 168gr AMAX. I prefer the 150gr on deer sized game, but the 168's usually shoot better for me.

A stout charge of Varget and the 168 SST will get it done 100% of the time. I've never had to track a deer more than 50ft with that load.

My "go-to" load for deer is a .308 with the Hornady Amax 168gr, 44.5gr of Varget. I've killed deer to 625yds with that load and coyotes abit farther. I would recommend the SST's or the AMAX with Varget or 4895 and CCI BR2 primers.

t2e
 
Jack the cut up,

Some time ago I ran terminal ballistic on the 150gr Hornady Interbond bullet.
Penetration and weight retention test were made at 20 yards, 40 yards, 75 yards and 100 yards. To make a long story short, the 20 yard target had the deepest penetration at 15". The 100 yard penetrated 11 3/4". The retained weight test was over 90% except for the 20 yard test which retained 88% of original weight.. Weight fresh out of the box ran between 149.7gr and 150.1gr.

I, by nature, am a nit-picker but until I tested these bullets, I don't remember ever testing bullets that were as consistent or as accurate as these bullets. And to top it all off. I'm not getting paid by Hornady to say this. My rifle is a stock Remington M-700 BDL. I've had the action and chamber area of the barrel glass bedded and the rest of the barrel is free floated. My load was 61.0gr of H-4350, CCI#BR2 primers and Winchester cases. I used .280 Rem cases that were formed and prepped. The flash hole were burred and the primer pockets uniformed and cases trimmed to 2.507". My chamber has a long neck which made it necessary for me to use the longer .280 case. My neck measured 2.510". Using the cases I did also meant I had to trim them with each firing. Five shot group measured C/C went .3874" but only if I did my job right.

I know that this opens the old sore of is it worth it. For the man who only wants to hunt game, it may vary may not be. For some of us, it's everything.
I have a friend who lives in Phoenix Who, when we first met, thought reloading was a stupid thing done by fools and idiots. I worked with his son-in-law, and I started him into it while Russ was getting ready for a Kibab hunt. I told Russ not to hold over any deer, just hold to the top of his back. Well Jim got his buck and Russ was waiting to get one. While Jim was dressing out his buck, Russ looked over a draw. Russ spotted a buck that the Kibab is famous for, Jim was telling Russ to hold over the buck by 2', Russ held at the top of his back and that was where he hit him. On the way back to Phoenix Jim was giving Russ a hard time about holding where he told him to and getting his deer. Some where Russ told him about shooting hand loads. I guess Jim got as quiet as a church mouse for a long was. As they dropped their deer off Jim told Russ to give me a call to see if I was home. Ten O'clock on a Wednesday night they end up with ma in my loading room. About 6 weeks later, between the two of them they got everything they needed to load the the two '06s they both shoot. At my suggestion they made it a hunting Christmas. One gift as Russ house told them the next gift at another friend house. Before It was all over that hunt went from Glendale to Chandler. The last gift was at my house. When they finally got there, I told them paybacks were h***! They didn't even get mad. After that Russ took over their loading once I helped them to get set up.

Back to nit pickers. Jim's '06 was a 1917 Enfield that had only the top hand guards removed. On one hunt he lost the screw for his sling swivel. As a temporary fix I tied the sling to the barrel with a loop of parachute cord. Jim never took that crusty old piece of cord off. His "good time" was to go out to the Phoenix range the that ratty looking rifle that would shoot well under an inch, and look for an empty spot near a guy having a real bad time with his new rifle and break that thing out and start shooting groups into a 1" black spot. Jim swears that he would buy several rifles a year. Ya' have to give Jim a break. When I was a child going to school, during WW II, Jim was a crew chief on a DC-3 flying the hump between Burma and China. I think he's paid his dues.

The 27th edition of Hodgdon list 62.0gr of h-4350 as a max load for 3068 at 48,400 CUP for a150gr bullet.
 
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I'm still clueless on powders :-(...

I bought some 150 grain Barnes Tipped TSX and Nosler 165 grain ballistic tips...
I just want something that is the most accurate with these bullets...
I was thinking about varget, IMR 4350, IMR 4064 or maybe R19 ... (But I'm open for anything you all recommend)...
I'd like to buy one bottle now and then buy the superformance powder when it comes out next year...

thanks...
 
I load my 308 with 43gr of IMR 4064 and a 165 gameking sbt. I get consistent 1" 5-shot groups with it and have no desire to try to improve it.

I load 30-06 with 45gr of IMR 4064 and 165 gameking sbt. Cosistent 1.5" groups from a bone stock, thin barrel 700. More than enough killing power for Alabama deer, shoots like a mild 308, and doesn't break the bank.

On a side note, I only worked up the 30-06 loads using the Sierra loading manual, which is on the safe side. Max recommended charge with 4064 using the 165 was 48 grains. Max for the 308 was 44ish. If I had known I had a little more room, I would have tried heavier loads.
 
Hornady 165gr BTSP and H-414. Will shoot under 1" @ 100yds from my Win 70. Have accounted for a lot of whitetail deer for me!!
 
The barnes bullets are great bullets I use them in my 7mm. I wouldn't worry about spending the 40 bucks on 50 rounds for whitetail. I'd go sgm or hornady interlocks. I've done some loading for the 06 and I used varget with I think 51 grs and a 168 hornady bthp and combined technology bt bullet. They both shot great.
 
By the way if your a meat hunter and not an antler king you won't like what the nosler balistic tips or the hornady sst bullets will do the your game. They'll deffinately drop your game but you'll lose a whole shoulder from impact. They jelly more meat than is necessary
IMO
 
nosler bt, hornady sst

By the way if your a meat hunter and not an antler king you won't like what the nosler balistic tips or the hornady sst bullets will do the your game. They'll deffinately drop your game but you'll lose a whole shoulder from impact. They jelly more meat than is necessary
IMO
 
I have had great luck with Barnes TSX 165 grain in my 30-06. I'm currently using Federal factory loads but when those run out I will definitely buy the bullets and load my own.

Every single deer I've shot with this bullet has gone down and not gotten back up. Every single bullet has been a complete pass through, as well as producing very minimal meat damage.

I've used them hunting 3 years now (this year will make 4) and shot 5 or 6 deer. (I can't remember which.)

I think those 150 TSX you bought will work great.

I have no suggestions on powder, but I am interested to see what everybody else uses!

P.S. Barnes website has load data.
 
I'm still clueless on powders :-(...

I bought some 150 grain Barnes Tipped TSX and Nosler 165 grain ballistic tips...
I just want something that is the most accurate with these bullets...

Well that's just something your going to have to figure out for yourself, what is accurate in my rifle may not be so in yours. Personally for the 30-06 I've had good luck with IMR 4895 and IMR 4064. I'm shooting 168gr TTSX this year for elk with 49.1gr (I think) IMR 4895 and it is accurate. Both powders have produced accurate loads for me in the past, and in other calibers as well. I've settled on IMR 4895 for now, for both my 30-06 and 243.

I had to email Barnes for load data, they sent me a longer powder list than what they had up on their website.
 
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