Need advice (ccw revlover or auto)

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"Since when is a 380 Auto more powerful than a .38 Special?" it depends on the gun/ammo combination. There is no way to tell without knowing the gun, brand/model of ammo and your definition of "more powerful". Revolver people always want to compare their ammo out of a 6" full size gun but carry a small snub noise. The same tendency is present with the pistol people. So, "X is more powerful than Y" usually is just a entertainment only discussion.
 
The "military and police" argument never held water for me. People in those positions, when facing their armed foes, are obligated to stay in the fight. Police officers are, on top of that, obligated to keep the fight going even if the other guy attempts to break off and flee (something that would make him no longer a threat to one of us) by pursuing and attempting to apprehend him. Too many of us leave the element of self-extraction out of our mental "battle plans."

This is a (small) reason why so many more rounds are fired from a cop's gun in a deadly-force situation than from the typical armed-civilian's gun in one. Bad guys feel better running from the armed citizen because they know they're not likely to be pursued by them; they will be pursued by any cops they've just tried to shoot it out with.

All that being said, I do carry an autoloader as a primary EDC.
 
Eh. First thing is have a gun. After that, we can argue back and forth about different scenarios where a particular weapon platform is better than another.

Honestly, as a pure self defense weapon, at close range, a revolver will hold its own. If you see a situation where you may take the fight to the bad guy(s), an auto, with higher capacity, may be more important.

I am issued a Glock 22. For 20 years, I have carried a 642 as a backup. I used to carry a 1911 as my duty gun, in today's world, that's a pretty low capacity gun. But, I felt fine. Off duty, I very often carry a 3" S&W 65. They all will do what they need to do if you do your part. And, there's nothing wrong with having different choices for different scenarios that YOU feel you may need to deal with.
 
I use to carry a 1911 all the time but now I only carry it when I have to go to town and need something smaller [I am not concerned about high capacity]. Most of the time I carry a 44 because I am more accurate with it and it is better for the 4 legged critters.. Carry what best suits your situation and what you can shoot best. Shot placement is more critical than caliber.
 
You think that just because someone else made a choice for them to carry a certain type of firearm, that that means that's the best type of firearm for everyone to carry?
I'm carrying 642 at the moment, if that answers your question. :D
 
Arizona,

Ruger SP101 .357 5-round compact is my primary.

After 5 misses (this would NEVER happen) it becomes a hammer.
Backup is a Glock 19 compact .9mm with a bunch of extra mags.

As for # rounds, for most defense situations this may not be relevant. Most defense situations are 10Y or less. Perp can cover that in 2-3 seconds if you keep missing.
DO NOT MISS. If you cannot slow down someone with 5 rounds of .38+P or better, you need more range time and/or a better strategy.

Under non-stress situations, with the revolver I can place 50/50 in the 9 ring or better with .38 wadcutters.

But... the 9 is fine if you want to go to the range and shoot LOTS of rounds. Cheaper ammo, faster reload.
 
Under non-stress situations, with the revolver I can place 50/50 in the 9 ring or better with .38 wadcutters.

At what distance and time frame?

How about with .38+P of .357 ammo? (Whichever one you carry)

How well under stressful conditions?
 
A revolver represents a considerable investment of time in order to become proficient with its more difficult trigger system. While I won't argue that very good work can be done double action, I will say that is the same amount of time is invested ibn the mastery of a light, crisp single action pull, the returns would likely be higher.

Then too, there's a considerable amount of ego stroking that goes on in these arguments, in that people often feel that being proficient with a more difficult to employ, and inherently limited weapon somehow makes them tougher, better, or manlier than the fellow who chooses an easier to use, less limited system. They don't seem to consider that the same amount of skill, when applied to an easier to use platform, makes for a more effective shooterx preferring to paint the users of the easier system as incompetents, depending on a good trigger or higher capacity or whatever as a mere crutch, rather than a true advantage.

Also, another thread of argument that often shows up in these discussions is: "I carry a single j- frame, with no reload and I never feel undergunned." Sorry, but how you feel isn't an objective measurement of anything. If you've never needed it, then any gun is going to "feel," like it's enough, since all you're using it for is to weigh down your pants.

Talk to the folks who really have needed a gun, not just once, but enough times to really constitute valid base of experience, and you're likely to find them carrying multiple full size handguns, along with the rest of their BatBelt of equipment.

Revolvers have limited capacity, ranging from five to eight rounds, compared to the auto loaders' six to twenty. Even the fastest revolver reload, the full moon clip, is marginally slower than changing a box magazine, and the other methods, speed loaders, speed strips, and dump pouches are all slower still. Revolvers, by their nature, have a lump in the middle, compared to the flatter profile of an auto, making them potentially more difficult to conceal. Their trigger system is more difficult to use. In return for all these limitations, all they offer is a claim to increased reliability.

Even that, however, doesn't really bear examination. Modern quality semi auto pistols are very, very reliable. With quality ammunition and magazines, the likelihood of failure is extremely remote. Granted, if you get one dirty enough, the slide may not operate freely enough and stick, but even then, generally a cylinder will bind first.

Don't get me wrong. I like revolvers. I think they're an interesting challenge. I can even shoot them fairly respectably. But I don't see any point in making a defensive gun, that is, one I may someday depend on shooting well, harder to shoot than it has to be.

So yeah, now that autoloaders have had more than a hundred years of development and refinement, there are lots of good reasons to carry one, and few, if any, not to. Is a revolver "good enough?" Possibly. Even probably. But autos are better.

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Another point to make is that when your under stress or surprised you might not have the best grip on that semi auto and cause a limp wrist jam. Training can possibly overcome this,but when seconds count a revolver has an advantage in this department. I carry both and shoot both,but I think a good revolver is more likely to fire it's rounds under all conditions without a jam than a semi auto. I also sometimes carry my Cimarron single action 45colt just because!:D
 
...under stress or surprised you might not have the best grip on that semi auto and cause a limp wrist jam. Training can possibly overcome this...

Stress/surprise can result in an improper grip -- but not likely a relaxed grip. If limp-wristing is the result with a semi auto, then arguably, with the revolver, the result would either be interfering with the cylinder rotation or getting flame cut with hand parts placed too far forward. I think we are both reaching a bit.

But we agree on training. Most handgunners that I know are limited to a plinking session once or twice a year -- to ingrain bad habits.
 
Is it better these days to carry an auto?

Not necessarily. Carry whatever fits your situation best. There's no one right answer. I carry either/or, depending on how I'm dressed that particular day. But my favorite is the S&W 642.
 
I have always been a revolver guy. I love my 6 and 5 shooters. I currently carry and interchange these as my EDC CCW. Ruger Speed Six / Rossi 720 / Taurus 85, and I do carry a KAHR CW45.
Is it better these days to carry an auto?
I never feel under gunned carrying a revolver, but is it better tactically to carry an auto these days? I was thinking about getting a Commander sized 45. Any advice is appreciated.
I would take 6-shot revolver over Commander sized .45 any day.
 
I have several pistols of all kinds. The ones I carry the most are the pistols I can stuff in my pocket and go. I am a big guy that can easily conceal a full size 1911. But getting a holster ready is a PITA. I only carry a full size pistol during hunting season or if we have predators actively hunting in the area. I do see a lot of predators when I am walking my dog. Four eyes and a super keen nose work much better than just two eyes.
 
like so....
Which is why I carry an auto.

Perhaps I wasn't sufficiently clear, but to me revolvers are best enjoyed as range toys or in gun games, where their limitations probably won't contribute to my getting my arse shot off. When the stakes are higher, though, I'll take the autoloader every time.
 
mljdeckard,

I REALLY hope I NEVER have a situation where someone is shooting back (or even shooting at all). I just try to prep for the one in a zillion case where there is an armed adversary.
 
I don't think there is a wrong answer. I have carried semi-autos and revolvers. I like all guns but like revolvers better. For all the resons I could give why my revolver is best. There are equal resons why the semi-auto is better. The number 1 rule is have a gun. After that comes practice etc. How many tragedies have happend that if someone had some kind of firearm, it may have been averted. There are so many options for everyone. Freedom of choice. I may just bring my Glock out for a while, who knows?
 
I say carry the gun you like & shoot the best...

I see this statement a lot. As written, it makes sense until you think about it for a bit.

What if the gun they "like and are best with" is a Stevens single shot in .22 Short? Would you still recommend it?

Most people shoot full size guns better, but they want carry a smaller and lighter one they can't shoot as well. What do you recommend then?

Caliber should be considered, since we're talking self defense.

A basic level of skill should be attained before carrying a specific gun. (Defining that "basic level of skill" is tough to do, but it should include distance, acceptable combat accuracy and time frame.)

Any gun with you beats any gun not, but recognize that not guns/calibers perform equally. This may require different tactics or protocols that should be practiced.
 
Keep an open mind, and don't rule anything out. I carried a Smith & Wesson 637 for a long time. I now have a Polish P64 CZAK which is every bit as "pocketable" as the 637 was, isn't enough heavier to make any difference (to me, at least), and gives me 2 more shots (6 + 1).
 
What I have been reading about police shootings usually says that many shots were fired before the bad guy went down. You would, therefore, want to have a higher capacity weapon like a G19, with an extra magazine doubling the number of cartridges carried. But sometimes I carry two J-frames, because I like revolvers and I get 10 shots without actually reloading. After 10 shots, though, I'm screwed. Those things take a long time to reload.

Police have more of a necessity to be a little more offensive than a regular Joe. You just want enough to get away.

I carried a J-frame as an on duty backup and an off duty carry for years. With a speed loader, you can reload almost as fast as a semi auto can. I qualified with my J-frame frequently and had no trouble keeping up with a department saturated with semi-auto backups.

Now, I carry an LCP. The J-frame is heavy for a modern pocket gun and has a bulge that's difficult to hide. I routinely carry full sized guns like 1911s, Berettas, etc., but there are times where a pair of jogging shorts aren't going to support the weight of a J-frame, and any gun is better than no gun. I don't intend to go on any sort of offensive with an LCP.
 
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