Need advice for defense against bears

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[The other bear turned out to be a seriously ill animal whose behavior became unpredictable. She came for me and there was no doubt that had she reached me she would have raised pure hell with my aging body. I used a Ruger Blackhawk 44 magnum and stopped her with one shot to the chest at about 7-10 yards. IMHO there is no way that I could have stopped her with anything less. I do not think that a 357 magnum will give you a chance at a one shot stop the way the 240 grain 44 mag. did.

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dairycreek you should go on a forum post tour man.

You are the first poster in thousands of these I've read where the poster had actually had to shoot a bear.

I guess that says something right there.;)



Nematocyst what ever caliber one uses for lightning I think they should stay away from copper jacketed ammo. :rolleyes:
 
My Step Dad

Was the only Doctor for about 150 miles where I grew up. We had quite a mountain range full of black bears right out the back door in the 70's.
He got called by the Park Service to help collect the bodies of two Campers who were caught in their tent at night by a Black Bear.
Aparently they had food in the Tent and the Bear crawled in after the scent. Both Men died of shock and blood loss. The Bear was found hundreds of yards away with 4 .357 Hollow points in it, 2 flattened out on the Bears skull, Dad said they looked as if they were fired with the muzzle in the bears mouth.
I can't remember why, but he said the Bear had some wound or was in some other way incapable of hunting at the time.
Bears are much less common than they were when I was a kid. They used to actually come through town from time to time and raid garbage cans.
I would reccomend a heavier caliber for your first choice than .357. You can't choose the situation, but you can always choose the caliber you bring to it.
 
Lightning..that doesn't have a chance against my automatic ball lightning rifle. Not a chance. If only I could see it coming.

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I carry a .40 S&W subcompact in the woods and my backpacking buddy carries a Glock 45. He tells me the 40 is too small if we see a bear. My response is that the 40 is for him. The bear won't chase me if he's got something to eat already.
 
Was the only Doctor for about 150 miles where I grew up. We had quite a mountain range full of black bears right out the back door in the 70's.
He got called by the Park Service to help collect the bodies of two Campers who were caught in their tent at night by a Black Bear.
Aparently they had food in the Tent and the Bear crawled in after the scent. Both Men died of shock and blood loss. The Bear was found hundreds of yards away with 4 .357 Hollow points in it, 2 flattened out on the Bears skull, Dad said they looked as if they were fired with the muzzle in the bears mouth.
I can't remember why, but he said the Bear had some wound or was in some other way incapable of hunting at the time.
Bears are much less common than they were when I was a kid. They used to actually come through town from time to time and raid garbage cans.
I would reccomend a heavier caliber for your first choice than .357. You can't choose the situation, but you can always choose the caliber you bring to it.
I think the issue here was the hollow points, not the caliber (.357).

I have a feeling that if good hard cast bullets were used, they would have penetrated much better.
 
I think the issue here was the hollow points, not the caliber (.357).

I have a feeling that if good hard cast bullets were used, they would have penetrated much better.
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The above hit's the nail exactly on the head , I've lived in several locales in 'bear country' ,including a significant amount of time living and trapping in the far north.

As has been highlighted , the majority of the time Black bears will take off if given the chance and they have a way out , the sometime exception being if you failf to keep a CLEAN CAMP , this cannot be stressed highly enough. BUT when they don't you'll need the proper tool and proper ammunition for the job at hand ,.357 mag and .45 acp *can* be sufficient , that said you'd best be good with the specific sidearm and be cool under stress , and regardless of certain folks cavalier attitude here as regards black bears they are most assuredly NOT a creature to mess with. A small black bear ( read 125- 175 lbs) is much ,much more than a match for a HUGE man.

Within the context of BIG bears ,i.e. lower 48 grizzlies and Brownies in the far north ( which are actually a larger subspecies of Grizzly) you really need a .44 mag or above and the proper loads i.e. something like the old Keith version hardcast at 265 grains and up or a 300 grain hornady XTP stacked over 21 plus grains of ww296 ,h110 or 2400. ( these loads for .44 mag)

And *NO* handgun is an ideal weapon for one of these situations , but you have to put your long gun down sometime , to clean game you've shot , to clear your traps and reset and relure and bait , to feed stock or dogs , to split wood or bring it in , to go to the outhouse , to carry water if necessary etc.etc.

And on the running issue and the advice to run down hill , while bears are slower downhill than up * you WILL NOT outrun a bear that wants your tail* , a Brownie can outrun a fast horse for the first 100-200 yards.

STAND STILL , give the Bear an out , they'll usually take it. Panicing and automatically running may precipitate a situation where the Bear chases you , yes they are omnivorous in diet but they ARE a predator.

And should you end up in conflict with a bear , especially a Brownie , whether the inland subtype or the coastal bears ,I'll gaurandamntee you that you will never EVER be more scared in your life , should any doubt this then go to the general section and look up where I posted of an encounter I had while trapping the area south and west of Paxson Lake and above Lake Louise.

And for those scoffing at carrying a sidearm for bear defense , while you may NEVER need it , if you do then without it you're TOAST if the bear really wants you , even a 100lb juvenile black bear can kill you merely with a SLAP if it so wishes.

And if a Brownie comes along and wants that deer you're field dressing , let 'em have the damn deer , if you catch one raiding your traps , back the hell off and let them have that Marten or whatever.

Common sense goes a long way towards co-existing with bears if you're living in or spending a lot of time in areas where they are numerous.



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You don't have to run faster than a bear to get away, just faster than your friend.

Seriously though, a.357 mag load shou ld do ok if the loads are hot and heavy hardcast. However, I feel more comfortable with a .44 Mag.
 
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I don't know if this has been mentioned before or not, but...

1. Don't be in bear areas...
2. And if you are...Don't piss them off...

Best defense I can think of at the moment...:D
 
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I don't know if this has been mentioned before or not, but...

1. Don't be in bear areas...
2. And if you are...Don't piss them off...

Best defense I can think of at the moment...
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I guess a whole lot of us should pick up and move then? And you don't have to 'piss them off' , ask the guy who was recently mauled up not far from Port Lyons ( Kodiak Island) the brownie sow and her two juvenile cubs ( two year olds) decided they wanted the deer he was packing out so they took it , and chewed him up into the bargain.
 
Oh rats...Forgot the grinning face...No one has a sense of humor anymore. What happened to everyone?:D

I am well aware of what bears can do as I continually guard against them to protect my horses...And keep a heavy rifle loaded and close at hand.

Let me go up and add that grinning face...:neener:
 
Comeon Bushy , that wasn't even remotely 'on your case'. And you know it. And insofar as it goes that message came across as completely serious. If it hadn't then I doubt you'd have replied with the covering commentary as to how you 'forgot the smiley'.

But hey whatever floats your boat , or batters the bruin as it were.
 
I love bear threads.

I hunt bears extensively, and I always find it interesting how misunderstood they are.
IMO, anything less than a 45 Colt (heavy loads) is pushing it, seen a bunch of them fall to 44 mags, personally, I carry A 454 Casull.

But, its not a matter if I run into run, it's when, so I like the extra bit of insurance.

If they aren't fired up, they really aren't that hard to kill, but then if they aren't fire up, you don't need a defense weapon. If they are, you better be breaking them down, something that will destroy big bones.

But, seriously, bear spray works really well and I wouldn't feel at all in danger carrying it if I wasn't hunting.
 
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Would you say that using bear spray may be more effective than trying to take it out before it reaches you using a handgun?
 
"Would you say that using bear spray may be more effective than trying to take it out before it reaches you using a handgun?"


For the average person, absolutely.
Bears have a mystic about them and are seriously either over or under estimated by people.
1. They aren't blood thirsty creature out to eat every human they encounter.
2. 99% will flee long before you ever even get to know they were there.
3. 99% of the remaining 1% will flee upon seeing you and you seeing them.

Of the remaining few that you're going to have a problem with
1. They move a lot faster than most people realize, and this includes running down hill, they move like smoke.
2. They unnerve most people when you are close to them, makes shooting one even more difficult. I have seen people who couldn't muster the strength to climb down from a stand after being close to them.
3. Sprays make hitting them pretty easy as they "spray" for a lot longer, allow for inaccuracy because you can spray and pray so to speak. And bears have incredibly sensitive olfactory systems, a nose full of pepper has proven very effective at changing their intentions.
 
I appreciate the advice eaglecreekbrewer. Any brand recommendations for spray?
 
All of them I have used have been good, and yes we have tested them on a few occasions. Just get the big bottles and remember they have an expiration date. I usually just get whats on sale if possible.

We actually carry them while hunting, as coming out of a bear bait after dark will raise the hairs on your neck when you know a big boar is lurking, and they are much easier to administer after dark than a bullet.
 
You really don't have to shoot the bear. You just need to be able to out run your friends. To the bear you all taste like chicken! :eek:
 
Now I will give you the best bear repellent and bad guy non lethal repellent. Wasp and Hornet spray. It will shoot 20 feet and will render the attacker blind and with severely irritated mucus membranes even worse than pepper spray.....:rolleyes:
 
Pappy you know someone is going to cry about you recomending bee spray for bears. So make sure you rinse his eyes out after you spray him.
 
That's Wasp and Hornet Spray and don't knock it till you try it. We deal with a bear problem here every year and it works great. They also don't like being sprayed with a fire extinguisher either.
 
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