Need advice on dies for 223's in progressive

[CustomGunworks]

I have a RCBS Pro 2000 press and i've been loading
9mm, 40s&w and 45acp on it and i'm looking to start loading
223 on the Pro2000 .I've been using RCBS carbide dies for the pistols
and I also have Lee carbide dies in 44 mag and 357 mag for use on a
Lee Turret press and I like the idea of not having to lube the cases.
My question is thus does anyonemake carbide dies for the 223 ?
And if not do any of you have a way to
get around lube on a progressive press ?

 

[fmnnc]

Try this:

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/t...arentType=index&parentId=cat602564&id=0012803



Hope this helps...

 

[Futuristic]

All 223 Cases Need to be Lubed

Even if you use a Carbide sizing die, you still NEED to lube the cases. This applies to pretty much all bottleneck cases, but especially to rifle cases.

The Carbide dies available for some rifle calibers don't alleviate the need for lube, but they do hold up better and are more resistant to issues when you have less than adequate lube.

Really, lubing is so easy. I dump 100-200 cases in a big-ass ziplock, stick a bottle of Hornady One-Shot Case Lube in the open end, two quick squirts, then zip-up the bag and make like a Shake and Bake. If doing really dirty, or large brass, repeat once to ensure that cartridges are lubed thoroughly. Dump out of ziplock and load.

According to most people's results (mine included), you don't even need to clean the lube off the loaded rounds. A caveat for that would be if you are in a very sandy environment. Then, you need to wipe off or tumble the loaded rounds briefly to remove the leftover lube.

Futuristic

 

[mc223]

If doing really dirty, or large brass, repeat once to ensure that cartridges are lubed thoroughly. Dump out of ziplock and load

Why would you lube dirty cases? This can cause scratches inside of your dies. Yes even carbide. The only part of a carbide die that is made of carbide is a short sleeve at the neck, the rest is steel.

I use Hornady New dimension dies for 223 and others. Very good dies. And as stated in the previous post, you will still need to lube. There is a plethera of choices out there. I have read a few posts on this and other forums of people having trouble with sticking cases when using Hornady One Shot. I have never had an issue with it, although I don't use it any more. I make my lube with alcohol and Lanolin. Very cheap and have never had a problem with sticking cases.

 

[Futuristic]

mc223 wrote:

Why would you lube dirty cases? This can cause scratches inside of your dies. Yes even carbide. The only part of a carbide die that is made of carbide is a short sleeve at the neck, the rest is steel.

I really should have clarified that, but I was just thinking about getting the guy comfortable with lubing at all. I don't separately lube inside the case mouth so the spray in the bag is all the case mouth/neck lube my cases get. The ones that are really dirty inside need the second shot to be sure the carbide expander ball will run through smoothly. I've never been able to tumble the insides clean enough, the only real solution seems to be the wet wash method and I just don't have the patience. Though it does provide gleaming brass!

I haven't read any reports on problems with One-Shot Lube in recent memory. I have to imagine that is like most lube problems, user error rather than materials issues.

Futuristic

 

[cheygriz]

Get a set of Redding Pro dies. They are specially made for progressives. Redding Pro are the dies I use in my Dillon 650. Never had a problem with any of them.

 

[rodinal220]

Yes,Dillon Precision makes carbide .223 dies.Yes,you still need to lube your cases.

http://dillonprecision.com/template/p.cfm?maj=47&min=0&dyn=1&

 

[jmorris]

+1 on the Dillon carbide size die and Dillon case lube.

 

[RustyFN]

I believe you can neck size and not have to lube but you can only do that for a bolt gun. If you are shooting them in a auto you will have to full length resize and lube. Lubing really isn't that big of a deal.
Rusty