Need advice on possible trade (converted Saiga vs. CZ 527 .223)

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After selling a converted Saiga just 2 days ago (to end up with cash plus a CZ pistol I've been after for years), as chance would have it, I'm looking at yet another converted Saiga.
The guy says his trade interests include CZ rifles, so after he passed on the scoped CZ 452 .22 I offered, I mentioned also having a CZ 527 .223, with a Bushnell Elite 4200 scope.
I did tell him that I was on the fence about letting go of the CZ527, but wanted to check his interest level before talking myself into it, and he e-mailed back that he'd be VERY interested in the 527.
I bought the CZ new from Buds several years ago, bought CZ steel rings and mounted a nice 4200 Elite scope on it, and it's dialed in perfectly (and the irons are dead-on,as well). It's been taken to the range 2-3 times, under 100 rounds total, and is in perfect condition.
The Saiga appears to have been "fully" converted, meaning even the gas tube assembly has been replaced to allow the use of standard AK fore-grips (or whatever those are called, before someone corrects my terminology). The stocks are a nice laminated type that appear to be something from Ironwood ( if so, they're high quality and not cheap.)
Included are two 30 round mags, and several 10 rounders (that I don't believe are the factory plastic mags that come with new Saigas.)
My main concern is that I'm giving up a rifle that i partially got in preparation for what I believe are coming bans on "hi-cap semi-autos", and have kinda been thinning my herd in that respect, so this Saiga would likely be used towards a nice trade, or just to sell when the market is especiially ideal (I did pretty well during all of the panics since '08).
The fact that Russian-made firearms have been banned from import,something unlikely to ever be rescinded, is another plus for the Saiga.
I realize that the CZ is the nicer,finer weapon, over some "stamped-metel Commie junk" (LOL) but decent bolt guns pop-up pretty often, especially here in deer country.
Anyway, you guys get the idea and see where my head is at, any advice, insight,etc, is much appreciated.....
 
The one guy in my collection I would never sale or trade is my Izhmash Russian Saiga AK conversion. I consider it of a higher quality than most AK's I've handled and now the ban is in full affect, the price can only go up.
 
Wow, considering the overwhelming number of responses, it's a good thing I didn't ask if I should get a 9mm or a .45acp or this could've REALLY gotten out of hand :rolleyes:.
Anyway, though I can't verify it (or haven't yet) I'm told that Saigas are somehow starting to filter back in, and that the ban was actually aimed at specific companies importing them, but not a complete and total ban on their importation, so some legal finagling could allow more importation.
If this is accurate, it definitely would have a downward affect on the price and demand, and affect my decision.
Anyway, thanks for chiming in, NOMI.
 
Honestly a ban on guns like ARs and AKs is a reason to hold on to them, not sell them. If that time comes and you still want to part with it ppl would probably be willing to spend quite a bit more for it.
 
Honestly a ban on guns like ARs and AKs is a reason to hold on to them, not sell them. If that time comes and you still want to part with it ppl would probably be willing to spend quite a bit more for it.

Well,yeah, sure, I already grasp the concept of supply & demand, but there are other factors to consider.
First, the AK market (hell, the entire assault rifle market) is very flooded right now, and the fact that there are numerous other AK's available, is keeping the Saigas from increasing in demand and price (the main reason for my interest in the first place). There's also a glut of Saigas on the used market that aren't being touched at asking prices.
And though some folks think these things will go the way of rare,premium AK variants like Valmets,Galils, and Polytechs, I'm betting they don't, partially because so many Saigas have been imported and purchased, but also because I think we're not very far from Hi-cap semi-autos being criminalized outright, so a 20-year investment just ain't in the cards (wait and see).
Since i just sold a converted Saiga, my purpose in getting this one was largely to sell high, or to use a premium trader, but after looking around a bit, I don't see either happening, and in fact, I just e-mailed the guy and told him thanks,but I wasn't going through with the deal.
Thread closed. :neener:
 
I would never trade something that is no longer imported for something that is widely comermecially available and should be for the foreseeable future unless it was a very good deal and I didn't care to ever own the gun I'd be trading.
 
If you're interested in investments you might try your luck in the Nasdec ;)

Thanks for the uselss,wise-ass comment, but both current and future values are very valid and legitimate things to consider, with ANY purchase.
And it's called the NASDAQ. :cool:


I would never trade something that is no longer imported for something that is widely comermecially available and should be for the foreseeable future unless it was a very good deal and I didn't care to ever own the gun I'd be trading.

Fair point, but I wasn't looking to trade AWAY a gun that's no longer imported, I would be trading FOR it.
 
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I would never trade something that is no longer imported for something that is widely comermecially available and should be for the foreseeable future unless it was a very good deal and I didn't care to ever own the gun I'd be trading.

I've never understood how people play hot potato with their guns anyway.

I don't trade or sell my guns, and if I thought I would miss one at all...I wouldn't take twice the price I paid for it.
 
I've never understood how people play hot potato with their guns anyway.

Because interests,needs and desires change, and most people don't have the money to just keep adding guns to their collection. Someone might start getting into, say, long range shooting, or pistol competition, or hunting, skeet shooting, etc. or get OUT of a certain activity.
We've all bought toys just because we always wanted one, and then outgrew it somehow, and put it back into circulation to help finance a new one.
This is part of the fun for many folks, it isn't "playing hot potato".


I don't trade or sell my guns....

That's terrific, but no one asked for your personal philosphy, the OP is asking about Gun A vs. Gun B. If you would absolutely refuse to do this trade based on nothing but this hard-fast policy, then you really don't have anything of value to add.
 
I don't get it you traded one for a CZ pistol and now want to trade a CZ rifle for one?

If you use your bolt gun much I would keep using it and pick up a range toy for "investment" when you can afford it.

You wouldn't sell your daily driver to buy a collectors car and walk to work would you?
 
Thanks for the uselss,wise-ass comment, but both current and future values are very valid and legitimate things to consider, with ANY purchase.
And it's called the NASDAQ. :cool:

The comment wasn't ment to be useless or wise-ass. Sorry you took it that way.

Following gun prices and aquiring guns as an investment is unpredictable at best. Just like NASDAQ. Current pricing the only known, predictable value. To me, unrestored Saiga's would be more interesting and have more potential for return per dollar invested.

However, if you are wanting to cash in on the next panic or have a gun for potential trade value any magazine feed semi auto will likely do that for you. Or, you could invest in the DJ. I heard it broke another record today;)
 
Having owned both...keep the 527. The Saiga is just a bullet hose that plows through what x39 is available.

Plus, if you're ever so inclined, you can reload 223/5.56 without having to chase down the uber rare brass x39 getting flung 25' away.
 
I would never trade something that is no longer imported for something that is widely comermecially available and should be for the foreseeable future

Yep. No way I would make that trade. My converted Siaga is a rifle I'd never let go of.
 
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