Need help choosing 1911's

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Has anyone else had the same problems as Adweisbe?? I'd appreciate some more input, cus now he's got me wondering.

Oh, and 2transams, does the Pointman 7 have a rail? Cus im looking for a 1911 with one...and i definately want .45acp
 
If you're looking for a 1911 with a rail, have you looked at Sigs GSR series? I dunno anybody with one or who has shot one, so I can't give you any info. Just tossing out something else for you to check on.
 
I think the Sig's might be a little out of my price range...But I havent really looked at the sig 1911 too much, cus i was planning on my first sig being a p226
 
Thanks Doc, I'll keep all of that in mind.

Man, this is way tougher than i was wanting it to be.:banghead:

I guess i just have to keep in mind that its just going to be my first 1911...DEFINATELY not my last :)
 
I have a Kimber Pro Carry II that has been great, no failures to date. I really like the gun........but despite my lovely Kimber I would NOT buy a Kimber with an external extractor.

Countless unhappy customers cant be wrong, there has to be something wrong with the design to cause that many problems. My gun is internal extractor and thats the way Im buying them in the future.

I paid $575 NIB for my Kimber, great gun.

I think the Smith is also a great gun and they have their stuff together on the external extractor guns, no big fuss about them from owners.

Which is better.....they are both quality guns, pick your poison.

If I had to do it over again I would probably get another Kimber......
 
I own a Kimber and have been nothing but pleased with it. If I ever add another 1911 I think I'll try a Smith...Essex
 
The more i read opinions on here, the less interested in S&W i am, and the more interested in Colt i am. I am most definately buying a 1911 in 5 days(this upcoming Saturday). C'mon guys, lead me to the promise land!! Looks like i still need more help.:banghead:
 
Joe, Why not give 1911Tuner a PM? He knows a heck of alot more about 1911s and has laid his eyes on factory 1911s from all brands. It's pretty well known that any factory gun is not going to be set up "perfectly," the best you can hope for is a gun that runs reliably and feeds everything you give to it. Both the Kimber and the S&W will do that and both companies will stand behind the gun if it doesn't. Stepping up a notch to a semi-custom like Baer, Brown, Wilson, Nighthawk, might give you one that runs correctly (then again it might not). After my experiences my preference is to buy a factory gun and expect to put a good 200-500 (depending on the level of customization) dollars into it with a Smith to get it running "correctly." It's a shame that I have had to develop my knowledge of the gun so much to understand why it was failing, but IMHO that is to be expected today with factory 1911s.

Your question is really more of a Pepsi vs. Coke thing, they are both on the same playing field and you should make your choice based on features and price. If this were a gun you need to depend on for competition or carry I would factor in getting it looked over by a smith you trust (harder then it sounds, the first well thought of local smith I went to did cosmetically inferior work I couldn't trust), or go for something like a Glock or Sig. My preference despite my bad experiences would be for S&W because although they may not get it fixed in a timely manner, they are polite and don't ask questions. They just send a shipping label and take the gun back,

RE other 1911 manufacturers like Sig - No one really knows which manufacturer has the best QC or parts, only the manufacturers themselves know. Sig was known to have some assembly problems with the early GSRs and I have been hearing fewer and fewer complaints on Sig forum which makes me believe their assembly is getting better. Their parts have always been top notch and the absence of MIM parts in the Sig 1911's is something the company likes to brag about. I would give some thought to the Sig 1911's, if they were available in MA they would be my first choice. They main disadvantage of the Sig 1911's is that their profile makes finding holsters a little more tricky because Sig recontoured the slide.
 
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Well, im looking for something around 1100. So a couple of your options are probably out of my range...But im not sure what some of those guns retail
 
The semi-custom options are less then ideal IMO (You can get a full custom for that price). I could have bought my Smith for 760, shot it a few thousand rounds, then taken it to a Smith and had 100 dollars (I am being generous here) work done on it to correct any problems that show up. No need for new parts. At that point you can be supremely confident in the gun (provided you trust your Smith ;-) and that would still be within your price range. I chose to rely on S&W warranty work, and the gun was inoperable for half the time I owned it, about a year now. Eventually I wised up and start shelling out the extra cash to get it done right in the interest of having a gun I could work with. There were two issues that absolutely had to be fixed on my gun, the doubling and tripling (fixed by warranty work for free after 6 months), and the improperly fit barrel breaking link pins ($40 with a local Smith). Less then a 100 dollars work total.

Alot of people believe that if the gun doesn't work from the factory you send it back till it does work, and if that takes too long (or too many trips) then the gun is junk and you sell it. With 1911s I don't think this makes much sense given the number of qualified Smiths available. It just makes more sense to buy the gun as is and expect that it might need some final finishing by someone who knows how the gun is supposed to operate. The manufacturers only care that the gun operates and won't readily volunteer to do more then that...

The Sig Arms GSR is well within your price range and models vary from 700-1000 depending on the trim. 1100 will buy you alot of gun. If you take anything away from what I've said, find a good local Smith who you can form a relationship with, instead of relying factory work. It's worth the extra money to have guns that run with no fuss.
 
http://www.onpointsupply.com/cart.php?target=category&category_id=1278
This company is good for finding "street price" for various guns. I find that my best local dealer will be around this guy's price and I know that if someone is significantly higher then I can do better.

A fancy series 70 pistol, didn't even know that they made them with decent sights and a beavertail:
http://www.onpointsupply.com/cart.php?target=product&product_id=36318&category_id=1278
Old style:
http://www.onpointsupply.com/cart.php?target=product&product_id=36314&category_id=1278

Expect around 850.
 
I just got into the 1911 game with a Taurus. Excellent gun, with that said now I have a hunger for another, specifically the Colt! If you have a desire for the Colt better go ahead and feed it now. BTW Everybody says that the Colt's are priced over the Kimbers, Research I've done finds them to be about the same, compareing the XSE models to a comparative Kimber. I don't know if that extra $300 gets me a better gun than the Taurus but it does get me a pranceing pony on the side!:neener:
 
adweisbe,

Nice find on the OnPointSupply links!
Those are some sweet looking Colts.



Bazooka Joe,

As I'm sure you're realizing, almost everyone who shoots has a opinion on many if not most 1911 makers. Find yourself a good local gun store where you can handle a few different ones.


Good luck,
B.
 
That's what I keep telling my wife: it's not that I want multiple 1911s. It's that I want a Colt, A Kimber, a Springfield, a DW, a Sig, a Nighthawk, a Guncrafters...

:D
B.
 
I own both and without hesitation or reservation, I would choose the S&W. I also have a Springfileld GI 45 and a Dan Wesson Commander Bobtail and say, the Scandium Commander is my choice among the S&W's..
 
sounds as good a way as any to choose.....
I've got/gone through a few Kimbers, series 1 and II, a 70S Colt, a couple of Springfields and a Valtro. Depending how I've felt on any particular day, each has been my favorite. Each handles just a little differently due to nuanced variations in frontstrap profiles, the undercut of the beavertail and frontstrap, but none is terrible and all, except one, have been perfectly reliable out of the box. Other than changing out grips, nightsights and mainspring housings due to personal preference, I've not found anything worth adding that made me a better range shooter. Your biggest choice may come down to carbon steel, stainless or alloy or combination thereof. My carbon steel guns have become smoother feeling than my others, but who knows that might just be something wearing out too quickly :D
 
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