Vincent Vash
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I never in my life thought I would even have to make this post since although my family is liberal they are educated and tend agree or at least be willing to see another view with rational well presented arguments... but my friends folks......
So, I don't get to see this guy very often. He's a really good friend, but he does not have much life experience at all. He is up in my area for a week and I want to take him shooting since he has never done so (even just .22) with another friend. Both myself and this other friend are responsible people who know how to handle guns, be safe around them, and are able to make sure everyone has a good time without anyone getting hurt.
His dad however is extremely anti gun, and argues that A) somebody *could* get hurt (even though he admits it is extremely unlikely) B) feels that there are thousands of more ways to have fun without shooting guns and that because that is so there is no reason to shoot, and C) shot guns when he was a kid at camp, didn't enjoy it, so sees no reason why anybody else would, bringing up ridiculous "cost/benefit" arguments in response to my saying that most drivers on the road are more dangerous then anyone with a gun....
This is a man (my friends dad) who I like to be around (for the most part) and respect (although a little less now). He also hates computers, damns technology, and thinks people should be outside all the time >.< It's hard to view somebody as educated and intelligent with such stubborn unwavering views based on what he perceives as the only possible right solution even when shown possible flaws or solid counter-arguments...
My friend is 21, so you would think this would not be an issue, but because of how he was raised his dad's word is pretty much law (and if he did sneak it in he would not be able to keep the secret, not because he is a bad guy but because of some perceived guilt). I know part of this is parental concern
My parents, who are also anti gun, have somehow seen reason and don't mind that I shoot as long as I do so responsibly. I want to convince his dad but I don't think throwing any amount of research or statistics at him will do a thing.
It might be a lost cause but I am hoping maybe somebody here can give me an argument to present that will make him consider letting me take my friend shooting... the "I don't see him often and it's not all we would do" line failed...
I am going back to school shortly and will not see this friend for long time in all likelihood.. I know he is interested in shooting (at least trying it).
Thanks to anyone who can help or even tries... I feel this battle may be lost
So, I don't get to see this guy very often. He's a really good friend, but he does not have much life experience at all. He is up in my area for a week and I want to take him shooting since he has never done so (even just .22) with another friend. Both myself and this other friend are responsible people who know how to handle guns, be safe around them, and are able to make sure everyone has a good time without anyone getting hurt.
His dad however is extremely anti gun, and argues that A) somebody *could* get hurt (even though he admits it is extremely unlikely) B) feels that there are thousands of more ways to have fun without shooting guns and that because that is so there is no reason to shoot, and C) shot guns when he was a kid at camp, didn't enjoy it, so sees no reason why anybody else would, bringing up ridiculous "cost/benefit" arguments in response to my saying that most drivers on the road are more dangerous then anyone with a gun....
This is a man (my friends dad) who I like to be around (for the most part) and respect (although a little less now). He also hates computers, damns technology, and thinks people should be outside all the time >.< It's hard to view somebody as educated and intelligent with such stubborn unwavering views based on what he perceives as the only possible right solution even when shown possible flaws or solid counter-arguments...
My friend is 21, so you would think this would not be an issue, but because of how he was raised his dad's word is pretty much law (and if he did sneak it in he would not be able to keep the secret, not because he is a bad guy but because of some perceived guilt). I know part of this is parental concern
My parents, who are also anti gun, have somehow seen reason and don't mind that I shoot as long as I do so responsibly. I want to convince his dad but I don't think throwing any amount of research or statistics at him will do a thing.
It might be a lost cause but I am hoping maybe somebody here can give me an argument to present that will make him consider letting me take my friend shooting... the "I don't see him often and it's not all we would do" line failed...
I am going back to school shortly and will not see this friend for long time in all likelihood.. I know he is interested in shooting (at least trying it).
Thanks to anyone who can help or even tries... I feel this battle may be lost