Need Loading Data for 7,62x54R with N110 powder

[german reloader]

Hello, I am new here in the community and my first question is about loading datas for my 7,62X54R caliber.
I have the Vitavuori N110 and i must use FMJ bullets with dia .311 -.312.

So I need some loading informations for my N110.

Thank you for your answers.

 

[Walkalong]

I assume you have looked at the online data by Vihtavouri. I see no 7.62 by 54R in that data.

I am sure N110 is too fast for full load 7.62 X 54R. It would use slower powders more commonly used in rifle calibers.

Vihtavouri does show 7.62 X 53R data. I don't know what the difference in the two cartridges are besides the obvious length difference. They show data for the 7.62 X 53R with N135 through N150, which is what I would expect.

Welcome to THR

 

[german reloader]

I also had seen the Vitavuhori Reloading Guide, but I had found also no loadings.
The problem: I am from Germany, we cannot go to the store and can buy powders as mutch as we want. We must have a special licence for buying smokles or blackpowder. If we can buy both, the mass of powder which we can store at home is limited. So now I had my N110 and must use it. The reason why I bought it wars to make a reduced loading.
In Germany you cannot go out and buy a gun,- you must have a licence for it. For the licence you need a reason,- my reason for having a gun is target shooting.
For target shooting ,- esp. for cometition shooting is a reduced loading a advantage. The recoil of a 7,62x54R is with this special loading like a .22long rifle. But my problem is the barrel of Mosin Nagant rifle. He is a little bit rough in the groove of the barrel. So I cannot use the reduced loadings which are works with lead bullets.
If you wanna know more about it look here:
http://www.hn-sport.de/en.html


I have some loadings for my caliber but i wanna have more working and tested loading data.

 

[NCsmitty]

Welcome to THR, german reloader.

I looked at the link that you had in your post.

In US measurement I read that 20grains of N110, using a 165grain bullet, gives you around 1650+ feet per second.

If you use a lighter bullet like the military FMJ of 150gr, the charge listed should give you a little higher velocity.

Just be cautious because the N110 is very fast burning, and pressures rise very quickly as you approach maximum powder charge.

Show us some targets if you get time.



NCsmitty

 

[rcmodel]

N-110 is a magnum pistol powder.
It's burn rate is slightly faster then our H110/WW296 pistol powder.

As such, it is too fast for a bottleneck rifle caliber, unless you shoot reduced load cast lead bullets with it.

Lyman #49 does list N-140 and N-150 in the 7.62x54R with jacketed bullets, but certainly no mention of N110.

rc

 

[german reloader]

Thank you for your reply.
Thats my target:

Thats the bad results from the reduced loading which I cannot use.

I shot from a distance of 50 m (meter) that must be 54 yrd or 100 meter that must be 109 yrd.

So I dendt need high power loadings. By using N110 I must use reduced loadings ( buts thats ok, cause I only wanna shot a hole into a cardboard disc).

If my powder is emty I only use N140, thats the normal powder for this caliber.

 

[Kernel]

german loader,

I think you should reduce your starting load to 17 grains of N110. This is because you intend to use 0.311 - 0.312” sized bullets. The H&N load data (from the link you provided) was developed using undersized 0.308” bullets. Undersized bullets have the tendency to reduce pressure. Since you will be using correctly sized bullets the pressure will increase. Thus, my suggestion you reduce the powder charge.

The H&N load data for the .308 Win with a 165 gr bullet is 16 gr of N110. The load data for .30-06 with 165 gr bullet is 18 gr of N110. These loads are based on bullets correctly sized for the .308 and .30-06 (0.308”). The case capacity of the Russian 7.62x54R is between the .308 and the .30-06. Spit the difference and use 17 grains.

Since you intend to use a lighter 150 grain bullet you might be able to use 18 grains, but I would work up to that from 17 grains. I would advise against using 20 grains as a starting load. To me it does not look safe, based on the size of the bullets you plan to use, and from looking a the published load data for the .308 and .30-06.

 

[german reloader]

You`re right. In the Datasheet from H&N are not the .312 High Speed bullets listed. But H&N had also a book with loadings and there is the .312 bullet listed with a loading from 16grains ,- start loading up to the maximum load of 18grains.
I can start with 17 gr if you think thats ok.
I use the programm "Quickload" to check the loadings. The program said, that a 24 grain N110 is ok.

So I will make some loadings ready to test it . I start with 17 gr, 18 gr and 19gr, ok?


The 7,62x54R caliber is a crazy think for reloading in my opinion.
So if you look at the dies which are produced, you will see, that all dies are for .308 bullets. But the .308 caliber only was used in finnish Nagants. But the Nagant was a classic rifle from the sovjet union ( russia ) ( developed and used during the 1st and 2nd world war by russia). later the Nagants were used in Finland. Finland ( a very small country in contrast to russia ) didnt produced not so many Nagants as Russia, but the type of the finnish bullts is the standart for all dies for 7,62x54R.
The problem ( if you have the russia Nagant) is, that you make the bottleneck of the cartrige very thin,- cause you calibrate it down to .308 but the Nagant from russia need .312, so you must after sizing the cartrige widen the neck for the lager .312 bullt.
Ok, I also can use a very expensive neck sizer for only size the neck, but its very crazy to make only dies for the "non standart" version of the Nagant.

 

[azar]

german reloader,

I don't know what brands of dies are available to you there, so this may not apply. But you can purchase a different expander rod for .311 sized bullets to replace the .308 one you are using. It's usually sold as a the expander for the .303 British.

 

[german reloader]

We have the whole range of the US products here to buy,- nearly. In Germany we have not realy a own brand of reloading equipment. Some companýs make own special dies, but they are very expensive ( beginning from 250$ up to.....).
So we use RCBS, Lee and so on.
I use the Lee die 7,62x54R. ( I bought it from eBay USA during the exchange rate from the Euro to the Dollar wars so good, that it wars cheaper to buy a die from USA than buy it in Germany ^^ ).


What kind of die you mean? ( can you give me a link to the die you mean? )