Need some opinions on Mossberg pump

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I have used shotguns in the past (military, hunting, trap) but never owned one. Was looking at some on the net the other night and came across a Mossberg 500 Bantam pump in .410 + 1 in 2 3/4"

I still have a case of .410 I bought years ago and thought maybe it's time to pick one up, just for fun.

What y'll think? (As sm would say)
 
I have not spent a lot of time with these, still these are neat guns and folks really like them!

What are you going to use it for?
The reason I ask is, folks I run with that use a repeater, will often use a 1100, or 870, or a O/U as they shoot clays.

Express 870 in .410 is popular here, though some bought Bantams for fun, knock around guns for small game, informal clays and property duty.

I think about you, as some do the Single shot H&R/NEF and some do the combo gun, with a .22 lr.
Heck the parents get these for kids, and the kids have to fuss to get to shoot their gun.

Rossi is another combo gun, I lean toward H&R /NEF as I grew up with H&R.

These are a lot of fun! Easy to tote, and really do get used for small game and property duty.

My "teaching" tool is a youth .410 single shot, one of the gals has.
It is painted Neon yeller ( not yellow, there is a difference) with 70's era paint that really shows up under blacklight (UV)

I sometimes actually shoot the gun, most times I demonstrate something and it fits smaller to adults when I need to address a point.

Bantam would be great if you need a repeater.
Oh, if you don't reload, find some skeet shooter that does and work out a deal to reload them hulls.

Sending best!

Steve
 
I really like the Mossberg 500. I can use just about any shotgun, but when I use a pump, that's the one I like best.

I like the position of the safety, and I like that it doesn't have a shell lifter blocking the mag tube. Others may like ones that have the safety other places, and the shell lifter. I like the 870 and have used it a bit, too, but I just feel more comfortable with the 500. If you're getting a good deal on it, and like a .410, it'll do.
 
I say go for it. I have debated getting one myself. The only reason I have not is because I have a Mossy 183 bolt action that was my dad's when he was young, and he gave it to me as my first shotgun (first gun, period). Getting another 410 would be some sort of betrayal to that humble bolt-action.

Otherwise, I would already have a 500.

Ash
 
I don't REALLY "need" one. Just thought it might be a fun one to own. I recently bought a PAR 3 which is a pump action .223 and really enjoy shooting it. I looked on Gunbroker and can pick one up for $235 plus shipping and transfer fees. Anyone know of a cheaper source?
 
Just double check the gun fit, it should be the same as a 20 bore, and someone in town surely has one of those in stock.
Check Mossberg's site for stock dimensions.

You are going to really enjoy shooting up them .410s! *grin*
 
All metal parts are scaled down with the Mossberg 410 as compared with the other Mossberg 500's. How that might affect fit I cannot say.

Ash
 
I am built like a compact refrigerator on legs, short ones that is, with no neck to speak of. My momma always said if I had legs and a neck I'da been six foot easy.

I have many other carbines which I greatly enjoy shooting cause they fit me.


Mossberg 410 Ga/24" Blue Barrel w/Full Choke & Wood Stock

No other shotgun even comes close to the Mossberg 500 pump action's
remarkable combination of modern design, custom type features and
affordability. All come in an array of stocks, barrels, finishes and combo
options that make it the perfect, versatile choice from first time hunters
to seasoned veterans alike.


SPECIFICATIONS:
Mfg Item Num: 50104
Category: FIREARMS - SHOTGUNS
Action :pump
Gauge :410 GA
Barrel Length :24" Vent Rib
Capacity :4 + 1
Chamber :3"
Length :43 3/4"
Weight :6 1/4 lbs
Drop :1 3/4" @ Comb & 2 1/ 8" @ Heel
Stock :Wood
Finish :Blue

Here's the specs on one. Length of pull on a bantam is 13" on the super bantam it is 12"
 
Grandpa,

Get the durn 13" gun and post back a report and picture will ya!! *wink*

Dang refrigerators, make funny noises all night long and just sit there collecting fuzz bunnies under them short legs they got...*grin*
 
500s are good guns, Ive got one in 20ga and one in 12ga
are you set on the .410? You might want to look at the current price of .410 ammo prior to your purchase, a 12ga or 20ga would be cheaper to feed.
You wont regret buying a 500 just make sure it fits you.
 
Gotta admit I never gave the cost of shells any thought. I reload everything I shoot, both pistols and rifles, so the cost never crossed my mind.

Any of you folks current on prices want to run some by this old man? Keep it simple so I have a chance of understanding it, ok?

I got enuf to think about remembering to take my memory pills.
 
Grandpa Shooter,

You said you have a case of shells.
I am not sure how you are defining "case" nonetheless you will have spent hulls to reload.

So post what these hulls are, and let the members share some recipes for that hull if you do not have the data/ reloading manuals.

Off the shelf at Academy, best recall $7 for a box of AA Skeet load #9 .
I forget what the Rem slugs were, $2.50 for a five pack?

Do you have a shot shell reloader?
How about a buddy that shoots skeet, or reloads .410.
Where I am going is, you are worth all this, and I know you have days shooting is not comfy.
Not being disrespectful, you know that, and you know I care.

So one cannot really put a value on being about to tote this .410, small game hunt, have fun and all.

Working out arrangements with someone with a reloader, and being able to use this gun is something one cannot put a dollar value on.

Good used Single Stage MEC reloaders come up for sale...
When some folks at a skeet/trap /clay club do a group buy on components or even new shells...

See?
 
You said you have a case of shells.
I am not sure how you are defining "case" nonetheless you will have spent hulls to reload.

Steve,

You know I don't do oneies twosies. I have an unopened case of Winchester Super X 410 gauge 3" shotshells MAX. dr. 11/16 6 shot. Thats 250 rounds ready to go.

Just got to get the shooter to go with it.
 
Sir,

I was not sure if you meant "case" as in 250 total, or "case" as in you can't get the car in the garage as that spot is taken up with ammo, including these shells.
*smile*

Trust me, gals get a bit wide eyed when the see your truck parked outside of the 2 car garage, and when the pull in, there are two pallets, where the truck is supposed to go.
Oh well...gals don't ask what you did during the day...*lol*

Do you have a shot shell reloader?
MEC [Mayville Engineering Corp] is whom I recommend if you do not.
http://www.mecreloaders.com/ProductLine/600JrMark5.asp

Lee only does 12, 16 and 20 gauge.

11/16 oz loads are fine, and reload fine.
I used to use Fiocchi, in a neat green hull that were great!

1/2 oz are fine for a lot of what you are going to do.
So when you reload, you can adjust the height, and will need some accessories.


Git the durn gun will ya!! *wink*

There are umpteen folks waiting for you to do so, and there are plenty of folks to share some reloading tips and all as well...

Don't make us come up there and fuss at you...*lol*
 
I'm gonna agree with the choice for a 500. I like the safety and release positions, and I also love the bottomless elevator, since it means I dont scratch my thumb up whenever I load it up.
 
Grandpa,

Welcome to the Shotgun side! I enjoy your wisdom on the reloading forum.

If you shoot a flat (10 boxes) of shells per month you will save about $30 per month by buying a 12 gauge over a .410.

A 12 gauge is much more versatile than a .410. You can buy/load 7/8 oz. of shot in a 12 gauge that are soft on the shoulder too.

Just one mans thoughts...

See you back on the Handloader/Reloader side soon.
 
The chamber is 3". If I load shorter rounds obviously more will fit in just like loading 38's in a 357 carbine or 44sp in a 44 mag. I don't particularly like heavy recoil what with the artritis in my shoulders. I am not worried about using it for self defense, just for play.

I have a lot of rifles I shoot just for the fun of it. I have the serious ones in case we need them, but for the most part I just enjoy plinking and developing loads for different calibers. Guns are for fun, that's why I buy them.

I guess that's radical for this place. I want a shotgun just for the fun of it.
 
I guess that's radical for this place. I want a shotgun just for the fun of it.

*ahem*

-And just what do you call shooting primer only hulls from a single shot...
-Reloading popcorn kernels instead of lead pellets...
-Shooting water balloons, tin cans and fruit and veggies.

Huh?

I did not grow up, just got bigger is all - Art's buddy.

Besides, the other littler kids wanted to...


Would you hurry up and get this gun, puh-leeze!
Sheesh!
I have spend less time in a waiting room waiting for a friend of mine or his wife to have a baby.

*grin*
 
Heck - Get that .410 !! It is a hoot to shoot !! Not much recoil, kicks the crap outa the cans, and works great on dragon flies when in season !

(I gotta good receipe for them little critters if'n you aren't a fussy eater)

More fun than a water pistol & rubber ducky in the tub and that's what shoot'ens about !

:D
 
mnrivrat wrote:
More fun than a water pistol & rubber ducky in the tub and that's what shoot'ens about !

I don't know about the rest you of folks:

1. That is the best closing of a sales pitch I have heard in some time...
2. Best firearm quote we have on THR in a long time too!


Grandpa!
You bought that gun yet!!

We are waiiiiiiting!!
 
Difference between 20" and 24" barrel

I don't know enough about shotguns and their patterning to have a clue on this one.

Came across a Mossberg 505 which has the same features as the 500 only with a 20" barrel and a modified choke instead of 24" and full choke.

Anyone able to help me understand the practical differences between the two for just going out shooting and having fun. Say for instance you stood 15 feet from a target 18" by 18". What would the pattern be and what number of holes. (I know different shells are loaded differently, but try giving me an idea of how many hits/misses at that range with the different chokes.)

Prices appear to be comparable, but it says shorter mag tube which means you lose 1 round.


Shotguns - Moss Pump Youth - 410GA
Mossberg 505 YOUTH™ .410 Wood Blue 20" Mod-fixed
Manufactures Number: 57120

.410bore 505 Youth™ Blued finish, 12" LOP wood stock, 20"VR Mod-fixed choke, white front and brass mid-point sights, 5-shot (4+1) 2 1/2" shell capacity.
Evolving from the popular Bantam concept, the 505 Youth™ was developed especially for the young beginner. In addition to the special beginner-friendly features found on the 500® Bantam™ models, the 505 Youth™ includes a (fixed-length) 12" LOP hardwood stock, a shortened magazine tube and a compact 20" barrel for lighter weight and improved balance - all helpful in pointing young shooters to success.
(NOTE: 505Youth™ barrels are not interchangeable with any other models)
 
At 15 feet, Grandpa, either pattern with most loads can be covered by the palm of your hand.

Modified works well from 15 to 25 yards. Full is best further out.

The number of pellets holes is widely variable. 7.5 shot for instance, runs about 357 pellets of pure lead per oz IIRC. So a load of 1 1/8 oz will have roughly 400.

00 buck runs 8 per oz, and everything likely to be used falls between.

3" 410 loads carry 3-5 00 pellets or 3/4 oz of shot. The largest shot I've seen loaded in a 410 for hunting is 6 shot.

For defense and casual plinking and clays, the Mod barrel may be a better choice. It's also shorter, which folks oft believe helps in a crisis.

While I'm no great fan of 410s, I think one may be good for you.

HTH....
 
I was thinking 24" for better swing and balance.

.410 patterns are what they are.
Skeet choke is actually pretty nice, just nobody offers these except in Skeet set ups.

Full, and Skeet is what I most often suggest, especially most folks just snag a .410 single shot anyway.
This is why I spent some time with .410 in Full choke, in regard to patterns.

Chilled shot (soft) will open up the pattern, so if the shots are closer, use a shell of a different color, reloaded with chilled/soft soft.
Further out, use the hard shot loads, in a different colored hull.

Pellet deformity is easier to see, for most folks with a .410.
A 12 ga and .410 , both with target loads for skeet, will throw the same size pattern from the same distance.
Difference is, the density of pellets.

Skeet shooters will take a clay, and run that over the pattern shot, and see holes in the pattern.
Keep in mind, not all pellets arrive at the same time.
.410 has what is called a "long shot string"
28 ga has a really short shot string, meaning more pellets arrive at the same time.

21 yards is the distance from a Skeet station to the center stake.
So most skeet folks, pattern a .410 at 21, 23, and 25 yds.

40 yard pattern board testing is not needed, one can for fun, but the truth is, the effectiveness of a .410 is 25 yards or less.

2 1/2 " shells with 1/2 oz of pellets versus 3" with 11/16 oz of pellets.

Each barrel is a entity unto itself.
I and mine shot skeet, so 2 1/2" with 1/2 loads is what I messed with first, and the most.
These folks are set up to reload this hull.

Deal is, with more pellets in a 3" load, more deformity of pellets can and does occur.
Across the room distance, it won't matter.

Squirrel hunting now, it will and does.
I have shot the pattern board with a 2 1/2" and 3" load of hard shot #7.5 pellets, and #6 and the shorter shell, with 1/2 oz shot, has a denser pattern.

Less pellets, still denser.
Use a golf ball to replicate a squirrels head, to see holes checking the pattern board.
Tennis ball works for the whole critter to see holes.

Less is more.

Everyone wants the biggest , baddest payload, and the truth is, the fellow with a 7/8 load in a 12 gauge will beat their butts at skeet, trap, sporting clays, dove, and quail hunting.

An accomplished Skeet shooter, or shotgunner, with a .410 , will beat their butts at skeet, and dove, quail and small game hunting too - and have a lot more fun , and not get beat up by a gun, or tire out toting that Ultimate Shotgun with big, bad loads.


The longer barrel, allows for smoother mounting gun to face, swing, and follow through, IMO.

Just thoughts, you cannot mess up either way you go, not really.
As I know you will pattern the gun, mess with recipes and become one with the gun.
 
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