Need tips on .22lr leaving 50y range for the 100y for the first time.

[DasFriek]

I figure id save myself alot of time and frustration by asking here first rather than just doing it.
Ive just gotten into benchrest shooting for fun, No competition at this point. So i can relax at least and have no pressure to do well and can take my time.

My tools: CZ 452 Ultra Lux 28" barrel, CenterPoint 4-16x40 scope, Steady Point benchrest with swivel, Sandbags as needed, Tons of ammo of all sorts, accurizer and sizer to modify ammo as needed.
I gotta buy some shoot-n-c targets as im not so sure 16x will be enough to see most holes at that range as i don't have a spotting scope.

Ill be the first to admit i don't buy any ammo over $10 a box, But i do 2 box's of Wolf ME just because. Most is mid range $4-$6 a box ammo in HV,SV, and SS and lots of bricks of it.

I don't know which is best but i have two sets of scope rings and can slam my scope to within 4mm of my barrel or as it sits now at about 1/2"-3/4" so it clears my rear manual sight.
I prefer to keep it where its useful at both 50 and 100 yards.

Im guessing round nose ammo would be best?
Ive read SS ammo does best also even tho it drops more?

Advice,tips?

 

[Soupy44]

If you're not going to spend more than $10 a box, don't expect much. I'm a smallbore prone and 3P shooter. I've been reduced to shooting SK Rifle Match ($14 per 100) as I'm saving my good ammo, Lapua Master L (no longer made, bought 3 years ago at $600 per 5000), for Perry. My good ammo will hold an inch at 100 yards. The SK Rifle Match will not. The main group is about 1.5in with errant shots as much as 2.5in out. I haven't found a good torque setting for this ammo, but that will only help the group, not the wide shots.

Yes you will want round nose and standard velocity.

 

[slowr1der]

So what really are you asking? I'd just try different ammo both hollow point and round nose ammo and find which your gun shoots the best groups with at 100 yards.

 

[DasFriek]

Im asking what to expect that will be different than what ive been doing already at 50 yards.
I know about not expecting much with the ammo i have, But it will be fun and a learning experience.

 

[juk]

I would just adjust my irons on my 452 to the "100" setting and let it ride. When I had the scope on my trainer, It was no big deal to put all of the shots in a 2" circle. That was with the el-cheapo bulk stuff too. It got to the point that I would shoot the weeds that grew on the range. After I toppled/broke/cut all of the weeds I took the scope off. Irons for that rifle from now on. I like the challenge! A little bit of a tip for success at the 100....Aim higher!

 

[slowr1der]

Just expect it to shoot low at 100 yards and have to adjust your scope. Your groups will probably also open up a bit. If you are getting over 1.5" groups I'd try different ammo though.

 

[22-rimfire]

So you're moving out to 100 yds, how were your 50 yd groups with your ammo? You can figure that the 100 yd groups will be about 2x the 50 yd groups (at least).

Hope you're having fun.

 

[halfded]

Your first try at 100, try and go on a day with as little wind as possible. I, too, just started shooting for groups at 100y and with just a slight crosswind I could see my shots starting to track up to 4 inches to the side!

Wind comes a lot more into play at that distance. I started with spinner targets first and once I could keep all my shots on a 3 inch plate, I hung a paper target up.

 

[DasFriek]

Wind has been a BIG issue lately in Ohio, 30mph one day and yesterday was 10mph which i could easily deal with at 50 yards. But at 30 and gusting it was actually making my body move and my scope/shots shaky.

My 50 yard shots with mid priced and higher priced ammo are 1/2" id say 50% of the time and 1" max usually. My cheap ammo i size with D-Rocks tool and hand lube them and they too stay around 1/2"-1"
Honestly the gun will out shoot me still as i blame my trigger control for flyer's more than the ammo usually. Ive redone the trigger so it has about a 1lb pull weight and 1-1.5mm length. But its my follow threw i have issues with still.

I too am getting bored at 50 yards like you was at 100. CZ makes an amazing gun for the money. I can thank all the folks here for that recommendations for that also!

There is no way i could shoot at 50 yards with iron sights let alone 100 yards.
My eyes suck!
Ill just have to experiment with ammo like i always do, But ill start with the SS and SV stuff first.

My scope should have enough adjustment in it and if not its a Mil-Dot so i can just use that if i have too.

 

[rangerruck]

first, select all diff makes of ammo, from these mfgrs;
Aguila, eley, golden eagle, all types( all made by eley)
wolf, winchester, federal, cci. avoid cci bulk, try all federal
and winchester bulk. Look for american eagle red box, made
by federal. AVOID ALL REMINGTON PRODUCTS, except orange
box, and yellow box, which say Eley primed, right on the box.

If you cant find at least one of the above that shoots lights out for you,
either you need some help, or your components are not what they should be,
or are loose, etc.

Rememer; cci, aguila, eley, make about 20 diff products each, so from the list above, you will probably end up with about 100 different individual boxes, and have spent over 200 bucks on all of them-- lots to go through.

You sound like you have some pretty good tools to begin with , as far as the scope and rifle are concerned; before moving to the 100 yd line, shoot at 50 yards, and make your groups hit about 4 inches high. Leave it there, and then go over to the 100; you should be pretty close.
Yes it is true about subsonic ammo, but not to put too fine a point on it---
so what? If you can group better at 100 with hi vels, use that. I had some
really fabulous groups shot with Aguila hi vels, in both solid and hollow point.

 

[grimjaw]

I have BRNO model 1 to use when I want to push the range out a little further. What limits me at 100 yards is the ammo I typically use in that rifle and the scope. it does great with CCI MiniMag hollowpoints at 50 yards, but the groups open up after that. With the rifle sighted at 50 yards using an old Weaver K4 and a 6" hold over, I can manage about 3" groups at 100 yards.

Like the others mentioned, if you want to keep the groups tighter at longer ranges standard velocity is the way to go.

jm

 

[Smith357]

You might want to make up some wind flags, using some tomato stakes and ribbon they can be make on the cheap and are of great value when shooting at 100.

As everyone has mentioned you have search for that perfect rifle ammo combination. I was fairly lucky and found that along with $20 a box Tenex or R50 my rifle likes $2.50 a box Federal 714. The only time I use the Eley and RWS is when I'm playing for cash.


100 yard groups with Federal 714 on a dead calm day

 

[DasFriek]

I have most of those ammo you mentioned.
Aguila Match Rifle
Wolf ME
Eley sport
Aguila subsonic
Remington subsonic and Target
Federal 510,AM22,AE22 and their copper plated bulk.
CCI SV and Blazer
And probably some other ammo i forgot.
I am missing some Winchester stuff tho.
I wont shoot anything Remington except the stuff i bought above as it was almost free from a gift certificate i had.
Ive read the Aguila 40 interceptor is supposedly good at 100 yards so ill be looking for some when i can.

Ill keep my eyes open for some 714, I don't remember seeing any locally.

 

[cal74]

My CZ 452 @ 95 yards, Leupold 3-9, very light wind, Federal Bulk 510

Shooting off the hood of a truck, very crappy trigger (since adjusted)

 

[pikid89]

28 in bbl??? i thought 22lr started to slow down in barrels longer than 18-20 inches?

 

[cougar1717]

If I'm sighted in dead on at 50yds, I'm about 8" low at 100yds. If you have a Leupold rimfire scope, this drop corresponds pretty well with the lower point of the duplex recticle.

 

[gazpacho]

Whe I first got my CZ452 Trainer, I swapped the rear leaf for a rear peep sight. Then I bought about $100 worth of fancy 22lr ammo and went bench rest shooting. After a long day of shooting, I finally decided on CCI Minimag, which grouped at about 3 inches, 100 yards, 5-shot, center to center, with iron sights.

I was beyond happy with that, because that is the best shooting I've ever done. But on a lark, I borrows a handful of Remington Golden bullet (bulk pack) and sent some more lead down range. Low and behold, the cheap stuff shot 3 inch groups as well. I couldn't believe it, thinking that maybe the break in process was where the real improvement was. So I had my buddy load up a bunch of magazines, some with CCI, some with Remington, and some mixed. After it was all done, I couldn't tell the differnce in the groups. Here I was feading my rifle expensive Chardonay, and it was perfectly happy with two buck chuck!

So I guess what I'm saying here is expreiment with all the ammo you can get your hands on. You never know what your rifle will like.

Also, I highly recomment getting a steel target shooting tree. Punching paper is fine, but hitting a steel target, hearing it ping and seeing it swing to the other side if the tree is highly satisfying too.

 

[Al LaVodka]

Cheap!
Al

 

[ms6852]

I have an old Remington 513T that I still shoot with the redfield peep sights. I use everything on it and granted it does like some better than others don't be to proud to buy the bulk ammo for under $20. This is a great way to practice and learn you and maintain your basic skills. I.E. sight picture, trigger control, breathing, and so forth. My remington 513T has the 27" barrel and does not like wolf ammo or remington eley. But it like aguila and cci. Enjoy the challenge. In my rifle I normally have to increase 5MOA from 50yds to 100yds. and from 100 yds to 200 yds I go up 23MOA. It's a lot of fun.

 

[DasFriek]

As far as ammo goes i have 2-50 rounds box's of Wolf ME, the rest only gets cheaper from there. If i took a pic of all my ammo im better stocked selection wise than most gun stores. All of its cheap to mid priced and i call mid priced $4 a box of 50.
My gun loves CCI Blazer thats i size and lube same with Fed 510 and also AE22 right out of the box.
The sizer is a great fun tool if you guys never played with one.

My 3 bricks i ordered came in yesterday. Eley Sport, Aguila Match Rifle and Aguila SS.
The only way to tell them all apart is the stamping on the bottom of the case as they all look identical.

I wont shoot Golden Bullets in anything i own, But i get your point tho.
Nice shooting Cal74, I know id be happy with a group like that. My trigger has been well worked over.
Looks like the weather wont be cooperating with winds at 20-38mph gusts and 60f.

Barrel length doesn't affect bullet speed as much as you would think. 24"-28" is normal sized barrels in CZ's. I have some Remington target ammo thats rated at 1150fps iirc and half of them will have a sonic crack and half wont.
So i figure i loose 70fps with the extra length.

 

[MIL-DOT]

I agree with Gazpacho, you may get lucky and find your rifle likes cheap ammo. I toyed with several types through my 452, and found that it really liked the not-highly-thought-of Winchester X-perts.
Sure, stuff like Wolf Match was a tiny bit more accurate ( and more consistent/reliable) , but since I'm just goofing around, not competing or anything, I've stocked up on the cheap stuff.

 

[aka108]

All of my scoped 22rf's are sighted in at 50 yds and I don't care to disturb the setting. If I go to 100 yards I mount the target (3/4 inch) target paster high on a blank sheet of computer paper and aim for it. The group will fall 4 or 5 inches below the paster but you can still see the size of group it would shoot if you fooled around readjusting the sights to put the shots on the paster.

 

[grimjaw]

Even the bulk ammo should produce some kind of group. If it's a consistent 4"-5" at 100 yards, so what? If you know what you can expect from that ammo and you know your rifle will do better with other types, you can still get inexpensive practice at trigger control and breathing with the cheaper stuff. aka108's suggestion is also good, especially if you know the drop of the bullet at 100 yards. You could print a target with one bullseye above another other by 6"-8".

 

[DasFriek]

Id guess my scope has enough adjustment to get 6" of drop, If not the Mil dot will help. Ill keep it zeroed at 50 yards tho and just return it to "0" when im done at 100.
At 50 i have cheap and cheapish ammo that shoots close to Wolf ME so i wont be shooting the Wolf except to maybe just test how it does.
My sizer/accurizer makes CCI Blazer $16 a brick very close too Wolf results.

I do need to try those Winchesters tho.

 

[22-rimfire]

Keep your eyes open for some Federal Champion Target #714's at Dicks. They have gotten it in periodically. They sell it for the same price as CCI Standard Velocity (or they did). If you see it, buy a couple bricks to have on hand. It can shoot very well for some. Smith357's targets demonstrate that capability.

I don't shoot at 100 yds with a 22. This thread is giving me the itch to reach out a little and see how I do.