Need update on carrying (transporting) through DC

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I'm traveling to DE in a couple of weeks to visit my sister and her husband. DE recognizes my CO CCW permit, but we're flying in and out of Washington National Airport (yes, it's in VA) and driving through DC and MD.

I have not been able to sort out the old information from the new regarding checking firearms into and out of National, driving through DC (Is it like any other state, subject to 18 USC § 926A?), and driving through MD.

Can anyone shed light onto these subjects and straighten me out before I make the trip? I'm especially interested in knowing if there are any local restrictions above and beyond what I am familiar with out here in the mountains.

Thanks in advance!!
 
The simpliest thing to do is to avoid going into DC at all. A few more miles added to your trip can potentially save you from being a test case in court.

I go way out of my way to avoid NJ when going back and forth to VA. Maybe it's not necessary, but I have no desire to meet with one of the more liberal State Attorney (DA ? ) in that state. Eliminating the potential problem is worth the extra time and gas to me.

And I don't accidently contribute to the wealth of NJ by ever purchasing anything in that fine state.
 
Need update on carrying (transporting) through DC
I'm traveling to DE in a couple of weeks to visit my sister and her husband. DE recognizes my CO CCW permit, but we're flying in and out of Washington National Airport (yes, it's in VA) and driving through DC and MD.

I have not been able to sort out the old information from the new regarding checking firearms into and out of National, driving through DC (Is it like any other state, subject to 18 USC § 926A?), and driving through MD.

Can anyone shed light onto these subjects and straighten me out before I make the trip? I'm especially interested in knowing if there are any local restrictions above and beyond what I am familiar with out here in the mountains.

You have no problem.
As said Washington National is in Virginia.
You are good to go immediately using FOPA 1986 to go through D.C.
Of course you can get to Delaware without going through the District by going south on I-95 to Fredricksberg and crossing there into Maryland.But once there you still must resort to FOPA 1986 and this is a longer route.
I did the same thing last October going from Wash.Nat. to Annapolis to Gettysburg,PA.
Use FOPA til you get to freedom in Delaware.We had no problems.

18 USC 926 - Sec. 926A. Interstate transportation of firearms

Permanent Link: http://vlex.com/vid/19190852

Text:
Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver's compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.
 
"Of course you can get to Delaware without going through the District by going south on I-95 to Fredricksberg and crossing there into Maryland."

Fredericksburg? That's crazy. Get on the D.C. Beltway/495/I-95 south of the airport and drive across the Wilson bridge into Maryland. The Beltway goes around D.C., not through it.

D.C. is the yellow part...

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Wilson Bridge is in DC

The Wilson Bridge is in DC, but DC probably doesn't know that still. About 10 years ago they had a jumper who closed down the beltway (but who eventually was bean bagged and fell in anyway -- low bridge) and there was some argument about jurisdiction. No one was really sure.:rolleyes:

You can also take the GW Parkway North, all the way to the west side of the 495 beltway and then head into MD there (Legion Bridge). Take this around clockwise to I-95 or Rt-50, depending on where in DE you are headed.

Death Radio 103.5 WTOP has "traffic and weather on the 8's" (0808, 0818, etc.) Listening in between will probably make you crash your car from boredom though.
 
After the completion of the Wilson Bridge project, the State of Maryland and the Commonwealth of Virginia will become the joint owners of the completed bridge, and both states will exercise joint responsibility and oversight of bridge activities, maintenance and operations.[11] The District of Columbia, a jurisdiction that once had ownership rights to the 1961 Wilson Bridge span, will relinquish future ownership rights and responsibility for the new bridge.[11] Additionally, the District will grant a permanent easement to Maryland and Virginia for the portion of the bridge located within its boundaries.[11]


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Duke Junior said:
You have no problem.
As said Washington National is in Virginia.
You are good to go immediately using FOPA 1986 to go through D.C.
Of course you can get to Delaware without going through the District by going south on I-95 to Fredricksberg and crossing there into Maryland.But once there you still must resort to FOPA 1986 and this is a longer route.
I did the same thing last October going from Wash.Nat. to Annapolis to Gettysburg,PA.
Use FOPA til you get to freedom in Delaware.We had no problems.

Thanks for that affirmation Duke! Can anyone offer a second witness to or refute this?
 
I should clarify, I got free tickets from Denver to National. That's why I'm not flying into Philly or Baltimore (or Dulles) instead. Sister also wants to visit DC before I return, so it works out.
 
There is a difference between "share the maintenance and operation" and ownership. D.C. has operated the draw span. See the following quote from the last paragraph posted below.

"The Woodrow Wilson Bridge itself has belonged to the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) since the bridge's inception, the only Interstate highway section owned by the federal government and not by the respective state"
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Woodrow Wilson Bridge Ownership:

Four agencies share the maintenance and operation of the Woodrow Wilson Bridge. The District Department of Transportation (DDOT) of the District of Columbia is responsible for the draw span, the Maryland State Highway Administration (MDOT SHA) maintains the bridge structure, the Virginia Department of Transportation (VDOT) supplies water and electrical power to the bridge, and the U.S.Coast Guard has authority over the raising and lowering of the draw span. See Woodrow Wilson Bridge from Maryland Civil Engineering Structures, by Johns Hopkins University Department of Civil Engineering.

That arrangement will change when the new bridges are complete in 2008.

The Woodrow Wilson Bridge itself has belonged to the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) since the bridge's inception, the only Interstate highway section owned by the federal government and not by the respective state, and an agreement was worked out in August, 2001 by FHWA, Virginia and Maryland, to turn over the ownership of the new bridge, when it is completed, to joint ownership by Virginia and Maryland.

Edited to add the link: www.roadstothefuture.com/Woodrow_Wilson_Bridge.html#Bridge_Ownership
 
You could also fly in to BWI in Baltimore and avoid all hassles. Also what JohnBT says works too.
 
Okay, found it.

www.fhwa.dot.gov/infrastructure/wwrambler.cfm

"The assumption behind this agreement was that when the projects initiated to rehabilitate the Woodrow Wilson Memorial Bridge were completed, ownership would be transferred. In September 1989, a draft agreement was completed to transfer title to the bridge, but the three jurisdictions did not execute it. Recognizing that the agreement called for them to assume responsibility for a bridge that was in need of much additional work, probably including replacement, the States and the District decided against accepting the title and responsibility for the cost of the needed work."
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And upon further review of a couple of maps, it appears that the very southern tip of D.C. is somewhere in the river just off the Alexandria VA shoreline and the tip could be under a small part of the roadway. In any case, it's an Interstate highway if you're just passing through. And I don't recall ever seeing a Welcome To D.C. sign on the bridge. Anybody?
 
Just looked at the close-up on google maps. Just a point of DC crosses the bridge.

The whole river in that area is in DC though. Anyone ever have trouble with weapons in boats there?
 
A tiny sliver in the middle of the Potomac River is part of the District. It juts out from Blue Plains.
 
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Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof

Don't want to muddy the water here, but:
DC has laws that prohibit possession AND
DC isn't a state.

so...

Does the FOPA really provide protection while transiting DC?
 
The FOPA does not protect you in Maryland, only through Maryland.
From MD State Law -
§4–203.
(a) (1) Except as provided in subsection (b) of this section, a person may not:
(i) wear, carry, or transport a handgun, whether concealed or open, on or about the person;
(ii) wear, carry, or knowingly transport a handgun, whether concealed or open, in a vehicle traveling on a road or parking lot generally used by the public, highway, waterway, or airway of the State;
(iii) violate item (i) or (ii) of this paragraph while on public school property in the State; or
(iv) violate item (i) or (ii) of this paragraph with the deliberate purpose of injuring or killing another person.
(2) There is a rebuttable presumption that a person who transports a handgun under paragraph (1)(ii) of this subsection transports the handgun knowingly.
(b) This section does not prohibit:
(1) the wearing, carrying, or transporting of a handgun by a person who is on active assignment engaged in law enforcement, is authorized at the time and under the circumstances to wear, carry, or transport the handgun as part of the person’s official equipment, and is:
(i) a law enforcement official of the United States, the State, or a county or city of the State;
(ii) a member of the armed forces of the United States or of the National Guard on duty or traveling to or from duty;
(iii) a law enforcement official of another state or subdivision of another state temporarily in this State on official business;
(iv) a correctional officer or warden of a correctional facility in the State;
(v) a sheriff or full-time assistant or deputy sheriff of the State; or
(vi) a temporary or part-time sheriff’s deputy;
(2) the wearing, carrying, or transporting of a handgun by a person to whom a permit to wear, carry, or transport the handgun has been issued under Title 5, Subtitle 3 of the Public Safety Article;
(3) the carrying of a handgun on the person or in a vehicle while the person is transporting the handgun to or from the place of legal purchase or sale, or to or from a bona fide repair shop, or between bona fide residences of the person, or between the bona fide residence and place of business of the person, if the business is operated and owned substantially by the person if each handgun is unloaded and carried in an enclosed case or an enclosed holster;
(4) the wearing, carrying, or transporting by a person of a handgun used in connection with an organized military activity, a target shoot, formal or informal target practice, sport shooting event, hunting, a Department of Natural Resources-sponsored firearms and hunter safety class, trapping, or a dog obedience training class or show, while the person is engaged in, on the way to, or returning from that activity if each handgun is unloaded and carried in an enclosed case or an enclosed holster;
(5) the moving by a bona fide gun collector of part or all of the collector’s gun collection from place to place for public or private exhibition if each handgun is unloaded and carried in an enclosed case or an enclosed holster;
(6) the wearing, carrying, or transporting of a handgun by a person on real estate that the person owns or leases or where the person resides or within the confines of a business establishment that the person owns or leases;
(7) the wearing, carrying, or transporting of a handgun by a supervisory employee:
(i) in the course of employment;
(ii) within the confines of the business establishment in which the supervisory employee is employed; and
(iii) when so authorized by the owner or manager of the business establishment; or
(8) the carrying or transporting of a signal pistol or other visual distress signal approved by the United States Coast Guard in a vessel on the waterways of the State or, if the signal pistol or other visual distress signal is unloaded and carried in an enclosed case, in a vehicle.
(c) (1) A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor and on conviction is subject to the penalties provided in this subsection
 
I go shooting in MD a few times a year for matches. I bring a copy of the match announcement whenever possible to envoke exception b(4) if in the remote chance I'm stopped and even less likely chance I'm involuntarily searched.
 
"Of course you can get to Delaware without going through the District by going south on I-95 to Fredricksberg and crossing there into Maryland."

Fredericksburg? That's crazy. Get on the D.C. Beltway/495/I-95 south of the airport and drive across the Wilson bridge into Maryland. The Beltway goes around D.C., not through it.

D.C. is the yellow part...

JohnBT,you must not have read the first part of my post.I'm telling the OP NOT to go to Fredricksburg,which would be crazy and out of the way, but to cut the corner of D.C. as you are suggesting.This is what I did in Oct. to get to Annapolis and then to Gettysburg from Reagan National.You're in D.C. for a matter of minutes only.See my post here:

You have no problem.
As said Washington National is in Virginia.
You are good to go immediately using FOPA 1986 to go through D.C.
Of course you can get to Delaware without going through the District by going south on I-95 to Fredricksberg and crossing there into Maryland.But once there you still must resort to FOPA 1986 and this is a longer route.
I did the same thing last October going from Wash.Nat. to Annapolis to Gettysburg,PA.
Use FOPA til you get to freedom in Delaware.We had no problems.

Now you see ,I told him to take your route.:D
bbockmon,do not worry about all this controvery.Just go over that bridge,cut the litle bitty slice of the District,go through Maryland without stopping unless its an emergency and arrive in Delaware and freedom.My opinion of course.Just drive the normal limit,relax and you'll be fine under FOPA.

Thanks for that affirmation Duke! Can anyone offer a second witness to or refute this?

No one has refuted it yet as far as it being illegal under FOPA,TMK.
 
Don't want to muddy the water here, but:
DC has laws that prohibit possession AND
DC isn't a state.

so...

Does the FOPA really provide protection while transiting DC?

Good questions. Per the letter of the law I would say it does not.

Only way to find out would be to get arrested, charged and go to trial.
 
Does the FOPA really provide protection while transiting DC?
Good questions. Per the letter of the law I would say it does not.

Only way to find out would be to get arrested, charged and go to trial.

FOPA has been in effect since 1986.No test case in D.C. in 22 years,Happiness?
Maybe we just haven't heard about it.:)
22 years is a long time.I'll certainly take my chances on that little sliver of bridge heading to Maryland.But that's just me.
 
good news is that technical violations in dc can be made go away

the bad news is thats part of the crime problem there
 
Isn't DC treated the same as a state for the purposes of the GCA of 1968 (and the FOPA was added to it)? That's why DC residents can't buy handguns there yet...

If so technically there should be no problem, but, given how DC has ignored the SCOTUS, they'd probably also enjoy ignoring a federal law...
 
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