NEF/H&R SS questions

[sm]

Youth or Adult?

Youth allows me, and others to travel with a shotgun easier.
I can stick one in a garment bag, and nobody knows I have a shotgun going to a hotel or motel room.
Travel is something I, and others are familiar with, and I and mine traveled with shotguns often.
One gun I traveled with , was a bone stock Ithaca 37 with the 20 inch bbl.

Awerbuck travels with a double barrel shotgun.
This is easy to tote, and travel with. It is more people friendly, political climate friendly, and gun law friendly.
In some jurisdictions, breaking this gun down, as it is easy to do, is what is required to be legal in some parts of the country.

Single shot affords one the same features and benefits.


Go get a yard stick.

My H&R Youth 20 ga Single Shot, again is 36" total length.
The barrel is a fixed modified 22" , plain, with a single bead.

I am 6', and I can stand, hold that shotgun down by my side, and you cannot see I have a shotgun.
The muzzle does not touch the floor, and my hand and arm look natural ...I could be holding a pair of scissors for all anyone knows, and being safe and polite by having them in a safe hold...

I can use either hand, and have part of me concealed by a door facing, chair, sofa, kitchen breakfast bar...
I can even answer the door with this gun in hand.
I have.
UPS comes after dark, I have gun in hand, I see it is UPS and I have signed for a package with strong hand, with shotgun in weak, and the door concealing this.
If, "just a second" , I can set this behind the door, and sign and receive package.

"Caught you dust mopping the hardwood floor huh?" is exactly what UPS said when I set this shotgun behind the door.
It gets dark earlier in the winter...

He/she have delivered a package and I was using a dust mop for the hardwood floor near front door.
Perceptions...come into play, I post about perceptions...




What if?
Nobody is expected, and I am standing with a youth shotgun in hand , off to the side using a door frame to conceal and one of the ladies I know answers her door.
All hell breaks loose.
Criminals forces themselves , he shoots, she shoots her CCW.

That youth can be handed to 11 year old to watch that criminal, while attend to the mom shot.

I know, we practice this.
That 11 year old can hold that shotgun, call 911 and allow me to attend to that mom.

I might need to hold the gun and dial...
I am the one shot, the mom is attending to me...
etc.

In a chair, especially a recliner, that shotgun fits, and when I reach down for the lever, to let myself up...
I can come up with this Youth and shoot if need be.
Again, a practiced thing me and mine do.


Adult size is fine, I use these too.
If one is going to do a lot of shooting, get the adult.
Just sharing some reasons why many do get the Youth, and yes, I am to blame.

I want choke.

I have to repeat this, I want choke!
This is where I get ticked with folks taking a hack-saw to cut down a shotgun barrel, to make a "truck gun".

I want choke! My gun, and others like it pattern some of the best patterns I have patterned with pellet loads, #3 buck, and slugs.

My gun is a bone stock "kids" or "youth" shotgun.
Other folks have one because of me, and here is one real use.

19 year old daughter has one, she is attending college away from home.
She has a few gals she and parents know real well, and has hunted with it (doves, and small game) and had a lot of fun as broke college kids when these friends of the family get the portable clay thrower out and have the girls shoot, and have a picnic and ...relieves stress, fun.

She was back home, her dad had her car attended to by the dealer for some warranty work.
This car got to acting up on the way back to college, and she pulled into a hotel.
Called her dad, dad said since it was dark, to use the credit card he and mom gave her for emergencies and get a room.

She cannot get a CCW being under age 21.
She had a shotgun.

It was around 10pm when this happened, the options were discussed and she ended up having one of the other parents, being she was nearer to them, come down and get her.
Still she was safe, and the dealer was called at home and he had that car towed to another dealer in the next town.

Still for some hours, this 19 y/o lady was safe, the shotgun was just one of the tools, not the tool.

 

[goon]

The youth model is a great general purpose gun IMO.
First off, I agree with sm about the choke.
Come on People!
You can get a youth model 20 gauge for $69 so why would you buy a full length 20 gauge for the same price and then pay a gunsmith $25 more to cut the barrel off and remove the choke?That is sheer stupidity.

I just did some work with my 20 gauge and slugs - finally got slugs hitting point of aim. Shot loads put the center of the pattern about 5" high at 25 or so yards but that's not a big deal. This is why you have to pattern a shotgun. You lose too much by just pointing them in the general direction and hoping for the best.
Mine doesn't like the buck I've tried in it but I've only tested one load. I'll probably find something it likes.
If not, slugs work fine for defense too.

I've also found like sm that you can put the buttpad in your arm pit and hold the muzzle down and the gun will just about disappear. The light weight makes them extremely handy and quick pointing indoors and as I said before, reloading isn't as slow as you would think.

For example...
I grew up in the country. When there was a threat from an animal, you didn't call animal control because there wasn't one. You just dealt with it.
One time I was tasked with eliminating a diseased, feral cat that had been trying to fight my German Shepard for her food.
I was about 13 and inexperienced at how animals react when they're shot, about how they often kick, jump, and run even when they're already dead but just don't know it yet. My first shot did the dirty work but I panicked when I saw the cat try to jump up.
Long story short, I was terrified of having a wounded animal escape and die a painful death. I had six rounds of 12 gauge 2.75" No.6 shot and I used them all in extremely rapid succession.
My dad later asked me if I knew who had been shooting a pump action up on the hill behind our house. He initially didn't believe me when I told him that he'd actually heard me shooting his single barrel. Remember, the gun I was using required me to put it on half cock to open the action, then pull the shell out of the breech.

The point?
Lay your hands on a single barrel and try seeing how fast you can put lead on target with one, then you'll believe me.

 

[conw]

sm, thanks! You tell a good story (I know it's true, but you know what I mean). I think I am going to go with the youth. It may even end up in my trunk.

 

[Rampant_Colt]

I got my '70s-vintage H&R Topper in a trade for a Rob Zombie CD and $20

 

[Dave McCracken]

$20 and a Rob Zombie CD?

You made out like gangbusters.....

 

[sm]

goon,

I thank you for your posts!

Folks,
I have stepped out of door, with a kid screaming with fear in the voice, tears streaming down cheeks and running toward me for safety.

Rabid dawg in the yard, attacking that new puppy, that died from injuries.
There was no 911, the hard wired phone was part of party line, meaning one did not have their own phone line, instead shared one.

This is a serious threat! The child was not hurt, bless her heart, she was old enough to know, having been raised such, to run to safety, and it broke her heart to see her new puppy attacked, and the life lessons seeing what happened, and having to bury that puppy.

Same kid knew there was a single shot behind doors, not just at her house, other houses too.
If she needed something and that gun was in her way, she got a older person to help.

She had a wood stock only from a rifle she was learning how to stand, hold, be safe with , and correctly mount gun to face.
Later a single shot, her size, let her do so with a shotgun...

She would do her repetitions with adults doing various shotgun lessons.

I don't care what Brady or any other Gun Control organization says.
I don't care what some parents, or adults think, not even those that teach and instruct some gun lessons, as I do not agree with their take on kids and guns, and we are supposed to be on the same side.

Being blunt, I have been there and done that, and sometimes before these types were born.

Single shots fill so many niches...serious niches.

 

[sm]

Triggers

*whups*
See how fast one can get two shots off with a single shot?

*ducks*

 

[sm]

Triggers

Back in the day, triggers were "better" to "great" on firearms right of the box.

Single shot shotguns had better triggers back in the day as well.

Time passes and between mfg lawyers, insurance, and simply not taking the time to do a smoother trigger, triggers need attention often times today.
Single shots included.

First off - DO NOT take one of these apart!
Qualified gun smiths, with the correct tools "can" have a fit, as these guns were built tough, and not expected to be gotten into.
So punching pins, means pins might not come as one thinks, or go back without some smithing needing done.


Old Trick on Single shots.

I like Semichrome by Happich as I grew up with it.
Flitz will work....

Just squirt this down into the action, insert a snap cap, or dummy shell and just dry fire the gun.

Polishing...again...polishing is all we are doing.

We are not removing metal, just polishing what needs polishing to smooth up.

No Semichrome, or Flitz? No problem.

Gun oil, even 3in1, or Singer's Sewing machine oil is fine.
Just mix this with some gun powder, residue from reloading set up , ashes from ashtray, floor sweeps...all we want is a "slurry" that will polish.


After a bit, the trigger, and action in thumbing hammer, and thumbing action open is "polished" , one can feel the difference.

Clean this out, real good, then lightly lube properly and the trigger, along with the hammer and opening "button" will be smoother.


Back in the day , we did not have all the products , including aerosol sprays we have today, like brake cleaner and gun scrubbers...
What we did, still works today and some folks still do.

Remove wood from metal.
Let the receiver, just soak in mineral spirits, or kerosene.
Low odor mineral spirits is not expensive compared to most things and used outside is best.

Let soak, use pipe cleaners old toothbrush (get a baby and child's size along with adult size) and wooden dowels with cloth scraps, hit with a air hose and clean all the slurry out.
Air dry.

This is one way to smooth action, there are other ways.
Just I still do the polish to smooth this way.

Later I will post again what I and some others do to get these guns prepped.

Nothing difficult, nothing hi-tech, or real expensive, just proven.

Note: I am really particular on Firing Pins and I don't apply a lot of slurry to this area.
I always make sure the Firing pin and hole is clean!
I will use lighter fluid to flush this.

In really cold weather, I flush firing pin and keep clean with lighter fluid.

Reason being, I do not want to take a chance on a a firing pin freezing due to water, or any lube being too thick.


Steve

 

[conw]

Later I will post again what I and some others do to get these guns prepped.

"Sooner" would be great too

Unless you mean you are going to repost the same info for posterity.

I'm all ears!

 

[Rampant_Colt]

$20 and a Rob Zombie CD?

You made out like gangbusters.....

I know

After his step-dad died, my liberal, anti-gun buddy would accept almost any offer to get rid of his icky, evil firearms. He was afraid to handle the guns as if they were rattlesnakes, or like he was handling nitroglycerin. LoL


I plan on getting one of these new Handi-Rifles in .500 S&W Magnum, and later getting different caliber barrels fitted up. [.30-30, .44 Mag, .444 Marlin, .45-70]

* I want a Handi-Rifle offering chambered in 7.62x54R to take advantage of the cheap combloc surplus commonly available*
.30-'06 power in a rimmed case

ETA - .460 S&W Magnum would make a most excellent Handi-Rifle chambering as well.

 

[sm]

Bootlegger's Shotgun Pre Prep

Hold on! This here just one route, not the route... - Bootlegger

You will need:
Bob Seger and The Silver Bullet Band - Live Bullet
Allman's Brothers at the Fillmore East
Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon
Steppenwolf
Jimi Hendrix
ZZTop
Outlaws: Willie, Waylon and Tom Paul...
Buddy Guy, Bonnie Raitt, Stevie Ray Vaughn

Eagles: Seven Bridges Road, Smuggler's Blues,
Robert Johnson : Crossroads
Jerry Jeff Walker: Pissing in the Wind
Animals : House of the Rising Sun
Grand Funk Railroad: We're an American Band.
Janis Joplin: Me & Bobby McGee
James Taylor : Fire & Rain, Steamroller Baby ( the long uncut, dirty version)
Country Joe & The Fish
Hank Williams Sr, and Hank Williams Jr.

Southern Belle's Get Down and Rowdy Roadhouse Biker Bar and Salute to Bootlegger Live Recording on 8 track at Where in the hell are we Texas!
(this one might be hard to come by...
all biker babes in the band, behind the cage, and Bootlegger was sitting on a Harley with a single shot shotgun handy in da cage)



Next: Bootlegger's Shotgun Prep

 

[sm]

Bootlegger's Shotgun Prep

Ya'll can walk down and count pellets on that fancy paper to pattern your gun if'n ya want, my deal is , I done hit my Gulf quart oil cans, and one Falstaff beer can with 20 ga slugs and knowed I am good to go... - Bootlegger


-Remove barrel from action; set aside the barrel, forearm, forearm screw.

-Long screwdriver that fits stock bolt and PVC tube, Plastic tube, even cardboard tube to protect stock.

If you get into a hurry, and get that screwdriver blade caught in the wood, and force it, you will gouge/crack/ weaken that critical area, and it will split the wood upon being fired.

IF your gun uses a bolt, the same caution applies using a socket

-Remove butt-stock from reciever, stock bolt and pay attention to how any washers, are supposed to go.
Write it down, draw it out, just do it!
It is important to put back correctly.

-Remove butt plate / recoil pad.
Use soap, silicone or something to make it easier to insert the correct Phillips screwdriver into recoil pad, which also allows the holes in pad to close up , or prevent being opened up more than orginally.

-Johnson's Paste Wax, in the yellow can is applied to the wood.
Inside stock bolt hole, receiver, ends...forearm hole for barrel screw...

This seals the wood.
So apply real good, let dry, buff and apply again, repeat.


-Metal.

Easiest way to clean a shotgun chamber is with with wisps of the finest grit of Scotch Brite pad around a cleaning brush, of which the rod is chucked into a cordless drill.
Chamber is the most important part of that barrel.

Now run that brush on down the bore, this is the fastest way to clean a shotgun bore.

Run a bore mop, or patches down bore to remove any residue.

Note: 0000 [4 aught] Steel wool can be used.
You must make sure you do not leave any Steel residue, steel will rust.

Now apply Johnson's Paste Wax to the exterior of barrel.
Multiple coats, buffing between coats.
Use a dark cloth to prevent any lint showing, or, that pair of panty hose you stole from the wife/gf...

Sigh: RIG [Rust Inhibiting Grease] distributed by Silenco for years, was under the Jackson Mfg company of recent years.
It is my understanding, RIG is not being listed anymore, or is RIG +P.

RIG is what I applied to stock bolt, washers, fore arm screw and RIG +P to hinge pin.
RIG is a old proven product that protects, and RIP+P a proven high pressure grease for areas such as hinge pins.

If you have RIG products, or can still get some from somewhere, get it.

STOS [slicker than owl stuff] distributed by Ponsess Warren is good.
Lithium Grease works just fine as well.


The gun is clean, lubed correctly and put back together.

Johnson's Paste Wax is again applied, to the whole gun assembled, buff, reapply, repeat.

This seals the gun, inside and out.

Some other tricks if'n ya want...

 

[PTK]

I've also used Renaissance wax to good effect, though it's more expensive then Johnson's.

If you follow the steps Steve has laid out, you will be hard pressed to ever find rust or rotten wood on your gun.

 

[conw]

Steve, awesome dude! Keep it up. If you have more, I'm listening!


(You can talk about Shotgun S&T, cleaning, sentimental value, or How Raised...your choice! )

 

[cluttonfred]

Owlnmole, what's a color case receiver exactly?

I have no idea what the process is, but the effect of a color case is to provide a slight rainbow effect like oil on water.

H&R now shows the Pardner Compact with a blued receiver, so despite the Buds Gun Shop description it may not be available (they may have forgotten to change the text).

The H&R Buffalo Classic series rifles definitely do have color case receivers and crescent buttplates, see that page for pics.

Off topic -- I am currently overseas, but I may have my grandfather pick up one of those CR-45LC carbines for me just in case that model doesn't survive the closing of the Gardner plant. With the right load, that should make a fine rifle for everything from plinking to deer hunting, and besides, I really want one, and that's reason enough.

 

[PTK]

Color case hardening is the process of adding carbon to the steel or iron that the receiver is made of. Basically, the receiver is heated, rolled in carbon containing material (bone ash, Kasenite, cyanide, etc.) and heated again.

Note that current receivers from H&R/NEF are not case color hardened for actual hardening, as they are cast receivers, but done just for aesthetic purposes.

 

[Bud Tugly]

Using a single-shot is a great way to instill discipline in a young or inexperienced hunter. Knowing you only have one shot forces concentration and focus.

The shortness and lightness of single-shot guns also is a huge plus for carrying all day, especially in rugged terrain or heavy cover. Not the best choice where multiple shots are common, but a very simple, basic, and inexpensive way to get into shotgunning.