Neighbor Robbed

[psyopspec]

Speedy recover for the woman who was injured.

I agree with others who have said this was a situational awareness issue first, and an issue of being armed second. Most violent crime that happens outside of the home will tend occur when you are coming or going from somewhere (hence all the threads on Wal-Mart and other parking lots). This is why its always a good idea to take an extra microsecond to look around before entering or exiting a building, home, or vehicle. People tend to develop tunnel vision at these times, which can be exploited by the bad guys.

 

[Fiv3r]

That's terrible. I hope they heal quickly. However, like others have stated, a little more awareness and being armed might have led to a different outcome. I can't say for sure without knowing all of the details, but I doubt that your neighbors were targeted from the get go in a premeditated manner.

The thugs were, to be brutally honest here, just looking for the first pair of sheep with their heads down getting into a nice car.

I'm not a Rambo type. I don't pop leather and grip my pistol every time I enter my car after dark. However, I look around. I make sure to minimize my blindspots, and my pistol is at the ready should I need to draw it.

 

[ClayInTX]

When they get their CHLs their entire attitude and habits will change.

Once you realize you have the ability to use deadly force you also realize you never want to have to use it. This brings awareness of surroundings. Decisions of whether to go into an area or stay out, decisions you might not have thought to make when you were depending on the police to take care of you.

I got my CHL because of some close calls. My actions and observations have now changed so much that I might not need a CHL.

The OP’s neighbor might now become a better booster for 2A than is the OP because he is “reformed”. Like the old saying, “There’s no better (enter name of religion) than a convert.” Also, as Mark Twain related in Huckleberry Finn (not sure of exact words but this is the gist of it):

“The Duke got up and said he had come to the meeting to get crew as pirates but the sermon had reformed him. He asked for a collection to let him go back to the South Seas and bring pirates to God. He got over a thousand dollars because people would much rather give to a reformed crook than to someone who has followed the way all his life.”

When friends of the OP’s neighbor learn of the turn-about it might take the edge off their attitude. Nope, don’t count on an evangelistic revival but it might make them begin to question their belief.

I just had an epiphany!

In the previous text I used a religious example three times! That’s what we’re up against, an almost religion.

 

[pbearperry]

Being armed is a step in the right direction,but if you don't raise your level of awareness while you are in public you will still lose.I watch folks in public all day yacking on their cell phones and they are all easy targets.If you are like the ostrich with it's head in the sand,leave the gun home.

 

[MinnMooney]

from Armed Bear - post #2 :

No, I don't feel sorry for someone who advocates stripping me of my right to self-defense, while allowing thugs to have their way with me and my family, when he experiences the results of exactly what he advocates. I am glad he is alive to learn the lesson, though.

I agree !

It's too bad that his wife was pistol-whipped before he/they saw the importance of not being a sheep in a world with more than a few wolves who prey on the sheep. I sincerely hope that his wife heals totally and that they both heal mentally so they don't get their CCW permits as a "revenge" thing. They'll get some minimal training but I'm glad that you're there to steer them in the correct 'mind-set' direction.

 

[makarovnik]

Unfortunately this is how many antis are converted, my brother included.

 

[EdLaver]

I agree 100% with everyone about awareness, this is the first thing I preached to them. Regardless of good people living in a nice area, crime lurks everywhere, and you have to be aware of your surroundings never letting your guard down. I honestly think they believed that "Oh this could never happen to us" and it did.

 

[NMGonzo]

Nobody is dead or permanently injured.

He needs some training; steer him there!

 

[Leanwolf]

CLAYINTX - "I got my CHL because of some close calls. My actions and observations have now changed so much that I might not need a CHL."

Hmmmmmm.

How do you determine just when, where, and at what time of day or night you'll need your handgun for self defense??

I've never been clairvoiyant enough to determine that ... therefore I carry 24/7/365.

Just wondering.

L.W.

 

[wvshooter]

I hesitate to call anti gun liberals stupid. But if they are not stupid then what are they? I for one do not know.

Why must they suffer what your neighbor suffered before they understand how things work. Did they not know the world was a dangerous place. The sheeple mentality just sickens me. Even worse are the sheeple states. NY, Ill, Cali, et. al.

Glad you were someone who could guide him on his way to self reliance.

 

[atomd]

Let's say the victim had a gun. Think about it. Either he does not draw, and his gun is takem along with the cell phones. Or he attempts to draw against the BG's pistol already aimed at him and instead of a cut cheek, he and his wife both take bullets.

We have absolutely no idea how many times (if any) he would have had an opportunity to draw a weapon. Speculation is sort of useless in this case. One thing that's for sure is that he would have had a 0% chance of drawing a pistol if he didn't have a pistol on him. I'll take even 1% over 0% any day.

 

[trol79]

some friend of me are slowly waking up, due to some guys they know got beaten to ER. I think people need a face that reminds them of all the robbers, knife-stabbers, drugdealer/addicts; (child)rapists, that roam our societies. In germany it's almost impossible to get a gun for selfdefence; so I give to people I like an OC/ or CS_spray as first present. (law & prices make it impossible with guns.)

 

[Keizer]

So many people walk the planet everyday with a huge false sense of security. I agree with everyone who mentioned awareness. I am the paranoid type, and if I don't know you, I don't trust you. In public you have to be looking around all the time, and watching what's going on. Broad daylight does not necessarily mean safer than darkness. The bad guys are out there at all times of the day waiting to do their illegal activity.

I have never understood people who are against guns. First of all, guns have gotten us to where we are today. Guns=freedom. There is a certain lack of common sense, and false sense of security that go hand in hand with people who are against gun ownership. Bad guys will always have guns weather we are an armed society, or an unarmed society. With that fact, use your common sense to figure out which is best at reducing crime.

 

[NMGonzo]

I hesitate to call anti gun liberals stupid. But if they are not stupid then what are they?.

Uninformed, blessed with a privileged life?

 

[Jeff82]

The lesson always was and always will be there to be learned. They chose to not use logic and common sense in learning it but decided to learn it through the school of hard knocks. Either way, the lesson will be respected.

"Next! Door #1 or Door #2, which will it be?"

 

[bababooey32]

I hesitate to call anti gun liberals stupid. But if they are not stupid then what are they? I for one do not know.

Why must they suffer what your neighbor suffered before they understand how things work. Did they not know the world was a dangerous place.

The liberal condition is one based on emotion, not logic. Conservatives base their thoughts and actions mainly on logic. Neither is inherently bad, but each has their drawbacks. Cold logic without compassion can lead to tyrannical and fascistic tendencies. Touchy-feely hand-wringing without reason leads to...well...tyrannical and fascistic tendencies.

The current breed of affected "progressives" really have no foundation in traditional liberalism, per se, but rather a mushy, populist self-loathing that results in the type of self-destructive behavior exhibited in the OP. For an example, see the mindless baboons that routinely protest globalization and Wal-Mart at G-8 meetings. They are really just protesting to protest. It FEELS right.

just my opinion.

 

[ranger335v]

"...he decided that there IS a reason to be an armed citizen."

Your neighbor is brighter than most "liberals". At least he CAN learn, even if it takes getting literally beat over the head to do so!

I have a few liberal friends. (Not many but some, it's hard to be friends with people when you can't respect their intelligence!) Nice folks but they all live by group-think touchy/feely emotions instead of logic and reason. They will freely admit that "gun control" can only affect the harmless law abiding citizens but still want it because of a preceived need to "do something about gun violence." The well known fact that recent history gun prohibitions in England and Austrailia resulted in GREATER public violence AND an increased misuse of guns on a more defenceless population. But that doesn't change their "feelings" that such laws would be "good for us too"; hell it ain't "good" for the others, how can it be "good" for us? ARRRGGH!

 

[Beelzy]

Oh boy! Guys like your Buddy are sometimes the worst folks for becoming suddenly Pro-
Gun. They get all CCW'd then go shooting themselves while cleaning their gun.

A Mark is a Mark. If he can't pay attention a gun surely is not going to make him more
aware. He needs to learn Urban Defensive Tactics before he goes off half-cocked. ;-)

Sorry his wife has to wear the mark of a bad event that could have been avoided.

Get them some Mace.

 

[bob.a]

Human nature can be legislated against, but that has no effect. It is not likely to change.

"Innocent" is perhaps closer to the victims' mindset that "stupid". They fail to realise we were all kicked out of the Garden a long long time ago, and Evil is loose in the world.

 

[dec41971]

I think most people are unaware of things beyond the end of their nose. Not just with guns and the constitution, but with everything. How people drive (camped in the left lane, no turn signal, weaving on the cell phone etc), how they vote (no clue what candidates really stand for, suckered in by stupid grade school slogans) and everything else in life. We all need to spend more time considering other people and the ramifications of our decisions. JMHO

Like someone else stated, I like the way you think! Far too many clueless people running around going about their lives leaving everything up to luck and fate.

Situational awareness helps, but I want a way to level the playing field. Not necessarily a vengeful type, but still if some BG going to hurt me, I want a real way to impede them, or just cold stop them. Is that too much to ask? I mean if BG is going to rob you and you are situationaly aware, but unarmed and can do nothing, what good is it? My family been robbed before. We were lucky they left in a hurry as they were running out of time. My dad been car jacked at gunpoint too. I don't get it, most family is still anti. I almost got killed in the robbery. We were completely defenseless and at their mercy. Only by the grace of God they ran out of time because they were too busy picking out what they wanted and not paying attention to time, but had to leave in a hurry before the neighbors realized a robbery was in progress and call the cops.

 

[svaz]

Often enough, the painful lessons are the best learned. Keep up supporting our new-found brother & sister.

 

[Jeff82]

The sheep are gamblers and just don't know it. Their safety depends completely on them staying on the right side of the odds chart of running into trouble.

They are safe not because of anything they did but only because they haven't run into trouble, yet.

 

[btg3]

They are safe not because of anything they did but only because they haven't run into trouble, yet.

Partly true. OTOH, if you frequent shady establishments during late hours or engage in other risky behavior, you'll run into trouble sooner, rather than later.

 

[ArmedBear]

How do you determine just when, where, and at what time of day or night you'll need your handgun for self defense??

I don't think that's what he means. I think he means that he has dramatically reduced the odds of needing to defend himself with a gun, because his whole outlook, level of awareness, and decision making processes have changed.

 

[Ala Dan]

Sorry This Happened Too Your Friend-

but as they say, " a hard head, makes for a soft a$$"~!