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Neo-Bolt action Battle Rifle

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It would combine the capacity of a later model short magazine Lee-Enfield,the strength and look of the K98k,with the accuracy of the 1903,and the light recoiling light weight ammunition of the M-16/AR-15.
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Just modify the CZ 527 to take high cap magazines and that's almost exactly what you have.

Mini-Mauser 98 action
Excellent accuracy
high capacity
Intermediate chambering
Light weight
Excellent balance

That said, you would have a very fun gun but not one adding anything significant over an AR-15 in the battlefield. I believe some folks have increased the capacity of the CZ already. I remember looking into it when I had one years back.
 
Pfletch: that's not a specification, that's a bunch of words strung together with debatable meanings.

to make this conversation interesting, we need to use numbers and concrete terminology.
 
What problems would I have if I tried converting the enfield to 5.56 (because that is the only centerfire rifle ammo that I have lots of) ?
 
I thought so,would the same problems be present with the mauser action and magazine?
 
depends on the mauser action. the 527 action itself isn't wide enough to feed from double column magazines, so that leaves AR mags right out.

I think the best bet would be to make new bottom metal for a savage.
 
I sent the suggestion to CZ I doubt I'll get a reply or see anything come of it but one can dream right?
 
Its a shame those AIA enfield clones in 7.62x39 never took off
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^^This. A 7.62x39 is actually an accurate cartridge if you don't make the gun out of pot metal.

Special Interest Arms offers a conversion in America, without parts from Vietnam.
www.specialinterestarms.com

Seems for $500 (plus the cost of a cheap sporterized No. 4), you get pretty much exactly what the OP is asking for. If you want an "upgraded" MBR, you pretty much need detachable mags (if it wasn't an upgrade, why is every military in the world using detachable mags?).
 
I just don't see the utility in a bolt action rifle for "front line service" if it's not a scout/sniper.

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CPT (Ret.)
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Elm Creek Smith - This seems to be one of those "just because you can" type of rifles. Not that I have a problem with that...

For my purposes, if I were in the OP's position I'd just look at the Ruger Gunsite Scout rifle. I'm not sure you'd do much better than that without spending way too much money on something that, as noted, won't do anything better than an AR-15 at the end of the day. At least if you go .308 you're hitting targets with a heavier round.

No offense - but I wouldn't buy a bolt action 5.56x45 that takes AR-15 magazines. I just don't see the point of it unless you live in one of those states that has outlawed semi-auto rifles with "evil" features... and I try to avoid those states as much as possible.
 
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manners composite stocks makes their MCS-T-DBM stock for remington 700s in .223. it doesnt use AR mags, but it does use 10 round AICS magazines.

They make the stock with the factory sporter inlet, as well.
 
I'm not saying that a detachable magazine is a down grade it just doesn't work for the idea I have in mind.

That is to recreate the old style miliary bolt action with a few modern changes.

The AR-15 is a fine rifle I own one myself but I also like Mauser K98's and Winchester 1894's.

What else would you call a ruger Vaq. except a modern improved version of a Colt S.A.A.?

The reason for owning a bolt action as described is to keep the ammo supply simple and to allow for easier shooting of an older style rifle.
 
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You can't get there from here, then. no one makes .223 bolt gun stripper clips, and a 10 round capacity gun is going to be more difficult to keep loaded if you have to single load it.

If you can accept a detachable mag, you can get quite creative with a remington 700 action and the detachable stock bedding block from manners.

you could bed it into an m1903 stock, for example.
 
What do you call the standard 10-round clips used for reloading M-16/M-4 magazines?

True they aren't meant for a bolt action but they could work just the same if the rifle is designed to use them right?

Wouldn't such a rig allow for more rounds to be carried without the need for extra magazines (saving space) or the added weight of preloaded magazines (even the plastic mags have some heft to them when fully loaded)?
 
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It would allow for a low key weapon in a SHTF situation,everybody and their sister notices an AR-15, hardly anyone blinks at the sight of a bolt action rifle/carbine.

It would also allow the heavier firepower to stay hidden away and ready until needed in a dire situation.
 
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rifles are never low key.

the stripper clips for .223 are flimsy and really only suited to loading magazines in a situation that is not stressful, and the retaining tabs break off very often, rendering them single use devices.

10 round .223 magazines are very small, and have the advantage of protecting the rounds. stripper clips don't do this.
 
Depends on where you live as far as the low key aspect goes I guess.

When I've lugged my Colt on a sling around here, it got more attention than if I had a bolt action or a lever action slung on my shoulder.

All stripper clips are like that,but for the most part they got the job done.
 
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there's a fundimental difference in design between stripper clips used for loading guns, and ones used for loading magazines.

the SKS,SMLE,mauser, and springfield clips are either much heavier duty or shorter than the .223 stripper clips.

.223 stripper clips are long which means there is a longer moment arm for forces to work on when bending the clip, and flimsy, which makes it easy to render nonfunctional.
 
I think if I'm in a situation where I need to carry a rifle around for its extra firepower and range, the circumstances are probably such that keeping a low profile is no longer possible. And I think that under such circumstances, any firearm that's displayed would draw attention whether it was of military styling or not. In such a situation, is a concealed AK with the stock folded or AR Carbine with the stock collapsed (or even broken into halves) a better choice than a "hunting rifle" that's openly carried? Who knows... it's a decision each person has to make for themself.

Since you asked who'd pay for the rifle you describe, I have to say I wouldn't. I just don't see what it could do for me that any number of existing rifles couldn't do as well or better. Sorry PFletch83, but haven't convinced me yet.

Having said that, if you're all about this get in contact with some gunsmiths and see what can be done. I'd likely avoid Remington 700's because I've read reports that the bolt handles, which are silver soldered on, can break off. If I were trying to accomplish this, I might want to start with the CZ-527, but I don't know if the feed system could be adapted to AR type magazines.
The Ruger 77 starts off as a CRF Mauser style action in .223 but I'm not sure if they could be altered either. But if you can get the magazine lips in place and get a latch set up to hold it there, I'd think you could get it to feed.
If you can live with a pump action you could look for a Remington 7615, which is basically a pump action 7600 already adapted to use AR magazines. I think they have ghost right sights already attached as well. There are a LOT of Remington pump actions used here in the east as hunting rifles and even chambering full power rounds, they tend to be pretty quick and very reliable. I never hear complaints about them.
 
The primary reason for them being seen as flimsy is maybe because they are being crammed into 30 round mags.

Also think about the cost of ten rounds of ammo and a small piece of metal when lost compared to a magazine with 20 or 30 rounds being lost.

It's cheaper to replace the ten rounds and the thin metal strip vs 20 or 30 rounds plus the reuseable magazine.
 
Nothing against the 7615 I've just got my mind set on a bolt action...and I just might go the custom gunsmith route when I get the chance to do so.

I also don't have a problem with detachable mags for other applications,I'm just trying to stick to period limitations.

well if you think about it either way we are talking about a magazine, it's just that one is detachable and the other wouldn't be (plus I think that it has more to do with uneven downward pressure on a magazine vs a magazine that is always with the weapon)

I'm really giving the 527 a hard look for this application (carbine barreled action for the most part,and go from there).
 
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A 98K action is completely unnecessary for the power level of ammunition you are talking about. One of the 'mini' action would probably do OK, as has already been mentioned.

Why not just stick with The Enfield? Scale the MKIII action down 20% or so to fit the 556NATO or 6.8 SPC, and modify for a one-piece stock. Make it take P-mags. End of story.
 
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