Never been hunting, need help!

Congrats on finding somebody to go with .

Get some more trigger time with that rifle if you can, so you are more automatic in the woods .

Let us know how it goes and have fun !
 
So I didn't grow up with anybody to take me hunting. But I've decided that it would be a useful skill to know and would be a good thing to have in my belt for potential difficult times ahead. Plus it'd be nice to have the extra meat.

I've never been hunting before, but I decided that I'm going to start small, and go after some squirrels or rabbits. Work my way up to deer next season (if I can find a place to go)

I need to find a place to go yet, but I've got some friends who know places to hunt small game.

I'll have my trusty 10/22 rifle, my Morakniv Companion knife, and some binoculars.

I've been watching YouTube videos on how to field dress and gut squirrels and rabbits, as well as how to prepare them.

My questions are: what tips/tricks can you guys share with me for a beginner hunter? Any gear suggestions? Any hunting/stalking tips? Anything at all that I should know?

I really wish I had family members or family friends to teach me this stuff, but I'm 37 years old now, and if I don't make it happen, it never will on its own. Anything you guys could add would be valuable insight!

Don't be "that guy" who thinks you have to have 10k dollars in gear to hunt things. I was "that guy" (as much as I could afford) when I started. Then I hunted with 65 and 70 year old men carrying a 100 dollar rifle with a 25 dollar scope wearing a flannel shirt and jeans and they did just fine.

Once I got to actually hunting most of our old Trophy deer pictures from the late 80s and 90s we are in a kiss shirt and jeans.

Honestly, I would advise you not to put off getting into deer hunting. Squirrels are great, and hunting them is its own fun activity, but they aren’t really good training for deer. They’ll get you in the woods without having to buy a new gun right away, so that might be your angle.
Tips for squirrels: rubbing two quarters (the ridges) together sometimes draws them out if the woods are quiet. Take a comfortable but light chair/stool to sit on and not make much noise.
Tips for hunting in general: know the local laws and stay legal. Be cordial if you encounter others on public land. Be safe.
Tips for starting out on deer when you get there: you don’t have to have all the gadgets. A climbing stand makes the whole forest your tree stand location. Still makes you quiet, and the direction of the wind matters more than pretty much anything other than safety and legality.
Qualifying statement: I had to learn to hunt on my own as well, and it wasn’t easy, but it was rewarding. Hang in there and don’t expect instant expertise. Every time you learn something new you had a successful hunting trip.

As d2wing and usaral63 do, I disagree with you about squirrel hunting not being good training for deer hunting. You learn to get into and out of your hunting area quietly, as well as patience to wait for things to "get back to normal", till the squirrels start to come out again. I liked to find some natural cover (inside the root cage of overturned trees was always a favorite of mine) and plan each shot. Great training for deer, and you're going to get shots. It's also great practice for learning to concentrate on the target area on the animal, though they are different for squirrels and deer. ( I aim for the squirrel's eye, and the deer's aorta.)


I'm going with court on this one..I see next to no parallel between rabbit/ squirrel and deer hunting and ive been plenty successful with both for 30 years. No more than just shooting cans and general accuracy anyway. And I stalk to hunt deer. For most who still hunt... there is even less parallel. Almost the opposite methods. Stomping around and busting through brush and brush piles has got me hundreds of rabbits. Stomping through leaves and talking and laughing has got me hundreds of squirrel. Deer.... not so much

I greatly prefer squirrel hunting but do both.
 
I see next to no parallel between rabbit/ squirrel and deer hunting and ive been plenty successful with both for 30 years.
Me neither. Although I've never hunted squirrels - squirrel hunting isn't all that popular out here in the west. And around here, we're usually talking mule deer hunting when we say, "deer hunting."
Come to think of it, hunting jack rabbits does have one thing in common with hunting mule deer - in both cases, you're looking for animals with long ears. ;)
 
I would add learn to stay in the shadows when possible wind is king when hunting deer. When it comes to shot placement think of a balloon between the front legs that needs popped if the deer is quartering away aim for the offside shoulder. If he's quartering to you then put your bullet where the neck and shoulder come together. Broadside a third of the way up the body and the vertical crosshair of your scope in line with the front leg. Last point on aiming is pick a little spot of hair and aim at that. Last point move slowly.
 
Me neither. Although I've never hunted squirrels - squirrel hunting isn't all that popular out here in the west. And around here, we're usually talking mule deer hunting when we say, "deer hunting."
Come to think of it, hunting jack rabbits does have one thing in common with hunting mule deer - in both cases, you're looking for animals with long ears. ;)

Around here anyone over 55 or so will tell you that deer almost didn't exist in the blue ridge mountains before the 90s. But they ALL talk about hunting squirrel and rabbit. Deer hunting is popular now but squirrel and rabbit are rarely hunted. When I was a kid in the 80s it was red and grey squirrel but fox squirrel moved in in the early 2000s and are pretty close to the same %as Grey. Red are now pretty much gone

Grouse used to drum all day while we worked in the field through the 80s and 90s and seeing a turkey was a rare thing. Now grouse are all but gone and turkey and deer are everywhere.
 
Around here anyone over 55 or so will tell you that deer almost didn't exist in the blue ridge mountains before the 90s. But they ALL talk about hunting squirrel and rabbit. Deer hunting is popular now but squirrel and rabbit are rarely hunted. When I was a kid in the 80s it was red and grey squirrel but fox squirrel moved in in the early 2000s and are pretty close to the same %as Grey. Red are now pretty much gone

Grouse used to drum all day while we worked in the field through the 80s and 90s and seeing a turkey was a rare thing. Now grouse are all but gone and turkey and deer are everywhere.
Exactly same story here few big mountains west! Deer track in early 70's drew Awe, turkey showed up about 80, saw my first coyote in early 90's, elk by 2000, and I believe today the Bears rival deer.
In 60's-70's, opening of squirrel season literally sounded like a war had broke out, grouse drumming made you feel right at home as dud the bark of coon hounds cause coon hunting was an obsession, and the high faluting hunters had grouse dogs, grouse hunted! But for a good coon or squirrel dog, many would give their last dollar, even trade the shirt off their back!
 
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Exactly same story here few big mountains west! Deer track in early 70's drew Awe, turkey showed up about 80, saw my first coyote in early 90's, elk by 2000, and I believe today the Bears rival deer.
In 60's-70's, opening of squirrel season literally sounded like a war had broke out, grouse drumming made you feel right at home as dud the bark of coon hounds cause coon hunting was an obsession, and the high faluting hunters had grouse dogs, grouse hunted! But for a good coon or squirrel dog, many would give their last dollar, even trade the shirt off their back!
Sounds a LOT like it was for me in W.Va in the 50's....................zero deer and really not a lot of squirrel. Seeing a deer was fodder for commentary all week long, coons were the game for hard core rural types and I never knew anyone that was fortunate enough to play high roller with a dog that was soley for bird hunting. Mine were devoted generalists and would try to snag any critter that presented an opportunity. Never saw a wild turkey till I moved to Florida in the late 50's and found game to be more than plentiful by any standard I'd seen. Heck, bears weren't even game animals in West by God till about the eary '60s if I recall and hogs of any sort were merely farm stock......again Florida proved educational on that score!
 
Exactly same story here few big mountains west! Deer track in early 70's drew Awe, turkey showed up about 80, saw my first coyote in early 90's, elk by 2000, and I believe today the Bears rival deer.
In 60's-70's, opening of squirrel season literally sounded like a war had broke out, grouse drumming made you feel right at home as dud the bark of coon hounds cause coon hunting was an obsession, and the high faluting hunters had grouse dogs, grouse hunted! But for a good coon or squirrel dog, many would give their last dollar, even trade the shirt off their back!


Yep. Lol. Same here for coyote. We lost chicken to bobcat and fox but never saw or heard of a coyote in NC or TN until the 90s. VA had a bounty on them though so I guess they just spread south. The three state corner of NC/TN/VA is just a few minutes away.

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In all its glory.... the three state corner marker via dual sport.

I remember hunting squirrel as a kid, I guess I liked it because you could talk... smoke.... etc etc and have fun. No trying to cough quietly or worrying that if you drop the hammer on this big squirrel you scared off all the bigger squirrel two ridges over. I just loved it while deer hunting was kind of boring. People hunted all year to kill one deer? Piss on that. I can shoot a nice 10 or 12 from my porch in any given weekend. Rabbit hunting was fun too since we went with old guys and they used us as beagles. Lol. We bundled up and went jumping into brush pile and pine boughs like idiots lol. Was fun times.

Bear are definitely getting more common here but those of us with game cams (the old film ones) knew they were plenty anyway. Coon hunting has always been more rare here. I have a few people who all to hunt on mine and I see plenty but not many did it here really. Where the red fern grows was an early book I read and still a favorite so I never knew why so few hunted. Bear hunting with dogs took off here early 2000s. I know guys who spent a fortune on it. I hated it. Went once and pretty much just walked a high dollar dog through the woods. Lol. Its all but died off now. Deer hunting is still BY FAR the biggest and Turkey hunting has made a pretty big comeback too. I know guys who buy all three states license JUST to turkey hunt. I let a few kill birds on my land.

Wild turkey are the nastiest most foul smelling gamey tasting things ive ever met. I kill 100 chickens in a day and can eat a candy bar skinning a deer (only good for BBQ or Jerky IMO) or fish but I even gag on a nasty wild turkey.
 
Wild turkey are the nastiest most foul smelling gamey tasting things ive ever met. I kill 100 chickens in a day and can eat a candy bar skinning a deer (only good for BBQ or Jerky IMO) or fish but I even gag on a nasty wild turkey.
That is strange to read. I've never killed a turkey (or even hunted for them), but a few years ago, a friend gave me the breast of a wild turkey he had killed. I smoked it for Thanksgiving, and found it to be the best poultry I'd ever tasted...moist, tender, and mild.
 
That is strange to read. I've never killed a turkey (or even hunted for them), but a few years ago, a friend gave me the breast of a wild turkey he had killed. I smoked it for Thanksgiving, and found it to be the best poultry I'd ever tasted...moist, tender, and mild.
Smoked or deep fried they are edible.

My dad grew up poor. His parents had an outhouse till they died in the early 2000s. He was NEVER a picky eater. Tuna, treat, Vienna, bologna, hotdogs etc etc.....he wanted a wild turkey years ago and so did my wife. I shot both one and even cleaned them myself in the field. Both cooked the turkey and both fed it to the dogs..... lol. I came home to tacos and said "what happened to the turkey".....dog got it.

I know many many sportsman and hunted with 70 year olds when I was a kid in the 80/90s... never once heard anyone actually like turkey unless it was farm turkey or deep fried or smoked. Lol.

Maybe why you can't even shoot one unless its an old male here....because nobody eats them anyway. Lol

I've killed and eat thousands of farm raised birds. Turkey, chicken, duck, an ostrich,, guinea (don't tell the wife). Ate bear, rattlesnake, Buffalo, bat, gator, deer, groundhog....but a nasty stinking wild turkey is more of a survival food. After all the good stuff like grub worms and slugs are dead..... lol. Their eggs are huge and taste like any other egg though. Duck, goose, guinea, chicken etc. All about the same.
 
That is strange to read. I've never killed a turkey (or even hunted for them), but a few years ago, a friend gave me the breast of a wild turkey he had killed. I smoked it for Thanksgiving, and found it to be the best poultry I'd ever tasted...moist, tender, and mild.
One of the best pieces of meat I've ever had was wild turkey, shot one during fall season. Marinade it overnight in Italian dressing and the next day after a hunt me and two buddies went on we cooked it on the grill.
 
One friend larded one (using a syringe type needle to insert lard into the meat), and one pinned bacon to the breasts. Both were good. Smoked turkey another friend did was halfway between jerky and shoe leather.
 
To the OP, I would suggest that if you are going to start with squirrels and work your way to deer, then sort of hunt the squirrels like people would hunt deer. I realize that you aren't totally familiar with that, so I will throw out a few examples.

Work on your quiet, still, moving slowly game. Squirrels don't spook like deer, except at really close distances. Do nothing quickly. This will also help you get your gear sorted out as to what makes noise and what is quieter. For example, I learned early on that I chose a wrong sling for my rifle because it made metal on metal clinking noise. That disappeared after the 2nd hunt, LOL.

I don't know how accurate your 10/22 is at any given distance, but work on your precision shooting. If you are shooting through heart/lung/thorax to make your kills, then work on brain shots. This is important and I cannot stress this enough, LEARN THE ANATOMY of the critters you hunt. A lot of basic hunting teaches a lot of really oversimplified broadside shooting considerations which are often the easiest to convey with 2D anatomical images, but animals are 3D, not 2D and so that opens up a lot of addition angles (which will come with more experience). My point here is that it can be very helpful to your success that when you fire your shot, you anticipate based on the aim and trajectory that your round will hit this, this, and this inside the body that you want to hit in order to speed death. Where the 3D aspect comes in is that sometimes you want to hit this and this, but not THAT and so you hold off on your shot until your aim and trajectory will carry the bullet through the structures you want to hit.

Skinning out your game and examining the damage done by your projectile will tell you a lot about your shooting and bullet performance and help get you familiar with anatomy. While most mammalian anatomy is very similar from a general perspective, organs are often larger or smaller (relative), more concentrated or spread out, depending on the critter. Using a simplified example, take brains. Let's say you decide you want to make brain shots for some reason. The relative sizes of the brains will differ between many species and how the brains are situated in the skull may differ. It may be safe to make most "head shots" on a squirrel and still get a kill from a .22, but you really want to be making brain shots to be sure that the bullet actually does brain damage to put down the animal. You don't want to non-lethally shoot the critter through the teeth (which would be a "head shot").

If you learn 2D deer anatomy and where to shoot a broadside deer based on 2D images and are presented with a strongly quartering toward shot and you use the same placement, you may end up with a bullet in the abdomen and all the lovely gut juices getting all over the meat you want to harvest.

Here I will make a comment based on my own experience with a buddy. If you have really been into self defense sort of shooting, strive to NOT make COM shots and centerpunch your animals. Maybe you hit the liver on your deer and it runs several hundred yards, bleeding out, but not very quickly. The liver isn't necessary a terrible shot (some archers love it), but your tracking game may need to be good and as a newbie, it won't be. A fireman buddy of mine makes a lot of money each season being on call on his days off, with his well trained dog, helping hunters find their lost deer because their tracking game isn't up to the task. Of course, tracking is a whole other skill set to learn along the way, but it is better to start with short tracks and quick kills than long tracks and slow kills.

So particularly at the early stages of learning, you want to also learn how to NOT pull the trigger. "Buck fever" (oddly enough, male squirrels are also called "bucks") has ruined many a hunt and a lot of first time hunts. I would even suggest for your first hunt that you watch the squirrels behaviors and learn how they move about where you are hunting. Maybe take your rifle, unloaded, and practice dry firing (or just pressing the trigger slowly and smoothly on an uncocked rifle because this is a .22) and NOT upsetting your sight picture. It is really hard not to get excited and adrenaline is NOT your friend when it comes to steady shots. So basically, you are doing stress inoculation. It only took me a few years to get to the point where I am not fighting adrenaline, LOL. Some people never get over it, but they learn to work through it.

For the first squirrels you see when you are first locked and loaded, track the squirrels (assuming safe directions) with your rifle, but don't fire it. Work on being calm and choosing the shot you need to make for a clean kill. Very little about squirrel or deer hunting should be a life or death experience for you. You don't have to shoot! That is one of the hardest things newbies have issues with. Those first few opportunities come up to shoot and you would think they were never going to have another opportunity again and that their whole and only hunting experience was going to be at that moment and they don't want to miss it. Very few people die after their first hunting experience with opportunities to hunt again. Don't stress if you don't pull the trigger. Not pulling the trigger is sometimes the best shot you can make at the moment.

Congrats on getting a mentor to take you hunting. Listen to what s/he says. Do exactly what they tell you to do, but start learning your anatomy now.
 
One of the best pieces of meat I've ever had was wild turkey, shot one during fall season. Marinade it overnight in Italian dressing and the next day after a hunt me and two buddies went on we cooked it on the grill.


Lol. It can be covered up with enough dressing and marinade. Same as smoked and deep fried. Our farm raised birds need nothing. Just cooked. If I have to cover up the taste ill just let them walk. Thats exactly why i have deer hunted very very little the last 5 or 6 years. They just aren't good IMO. I'll kill a beef and eat that. I like to jerky a deer or two and grind up 10 or 15 lb for BBQ. Then can the rest of that one. But it ain't much. Lol. My dad (again can live on Vienna and spam and grew up with 7 siblings on Government cheese, peanut butter and kool-aid)) won't even eat deer .

Time of year, I'm told, makes some difference in the taste. And a hen is better (but illegal if cought) The two I shot that day "should" have been good though if that were true.

First time I ever went turkey hunting, I had no clue hen were illegal. I had a borrowed 12 guage and let a hen and a Tom cross necks walking toward each other maybe 15 yards away. Intending to knock off both heads. I killed the hen. When I met up with the other guys one stated cleaning my turkey and I asked why the rush and he told me it was illegal. Lol. Was our land and in the 80s though. Nobody cared.


First squirrel hunt me and a buddy, maybe 12 years old. I drove my dads mustang a couple more down the road and took two 22s squirrel hunting. Killed several and were cleaning them beside the road when a game warden pulled up. Said we had a nice kill and then informed us that season started the next day. Lol. He left and went on about his buisness.
 
Squirrels don't spook like deer, except at really close distances.

A lot of times if you manage to spook them you can hang out and they get pissed off at you and come back out after you chattering and flipping their tail at you. Lol.

If your in a good spot with pine and oak amd hickory I just walk. For every squirrel you didn't see you will find 10.

My sister loved at Atlantic Beach and squirrel were so thick it was a fine if you caught one and turned it loose. Lol. Big things too. About as big as our groundhog. The deer there were tiny. I think the big alpha squirrel on the coast could take the deer.

Deer not so much. If you see their tail up.....they gone. If they jump off without flipping their tail up then a lot of times they circle around and come back though.
 
A lot of times if you manage to spook them you can hang out and they get pissed off at you and come back out after you chattering and flipping their tail at you. Lol.

Yes, squirrels are funny buggers. I was sort of commenting on an above post that said to the effect that squirrel hunting and deer hunting weren't similar and so squirrel hunting would not be helpful for learning to hunt deer. I was just trying to shine some light on some of the ways that they are very similar, particularly for a newbie, and that the skills from one can transfer to the other, not all the skills of course and not necessarily unmodified, but I would not put off learning to hunt squirrels just because I want to hunt deer, later.
 
Yes, squirrels are funny buggers. I was sort of commenting on an above post that said to the effect that squirrel hunting and deer hunting weren't similar and so squirrel hunting would not be helpful for learning to hunt deer. I was just trying to shine some light on some of the ways that they are very similar, particularly for a newbie, and that the skills from one can transfer to the other, not all the skills of course and not necessarily unmodified, but I would not put off learning to hunt squirrels just because I want to hunt deer, later.
No doubt. Any hunting is good hunting. Amd yeah you could sneak around and kill squirrel to practice for deer. And I stalk deer in any season other than archery. Most people sit though from what I see.
Thanks guys!

Where do you guys shoot the deer? I know the traditional double lung is what I'll probably go for. But I know about the high shoulder shot too.

What do you guys use?

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The double lung is safer. If you hit high your ok and if you pull low you hit the heart.

With that high shot if the deer steps, stoops, flinched from a fly etc etc or you missed your yardage by 50 yards.... you shot over the deer completly. Why have a small kill zone when the other one is far bigger. That shot is just as risky as a head shot IMO. Ive aimed that high when I was unsure about yardage and knew the bullet would impact lower but if your new to hunting you shouldn't be pushing things to that limit. In this day and time with ballistic calculators and cheap rangefinders..... nobody should.

Either one, heart or lung (or head) is a kill if you hit where your aiming. Id never intentionally shoot that high as the picture "high shoulder shot" but ive seen deer die from some pretty terrible shots. Lol. If I'm in a stand with a bow shooting down at a deer I aim about where that "high shoulder shot" is. Other than shooting down on the deer I'm not sure ive ever heard anyone actually aim that high.

Realistically though deer have a massive kill zone and even a weak deer rifle will kill the deer anywhere within an 8 or more inch circle around that double lung shot or maybe just forward of it

The spine is a decent kill shot. Neck too. But the biggest kill zone with the biggest margin of error and least tracking is by far about where that double lung shot is.
 
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Thanks guys!

Where do you guys shoot the deer? I know the traditional double lung is what I'll probably go for. But I know about the high shoulder shot too.

What do you guys use?

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Aorta. Top of the heart. Only missed it once, 125 yard shot with a muzzleloader, I overestimated the hold (.50 cal sighted fir 50 yards) so I ended up double lunging that doe.
 
My sister loved at Atlantic Beach and squirrel were so thick it was a fine if you caught one and turned it loose. Lol. Big things too. About as big as our groundhog. The deer there were tiny. I think the big alpha squirrel on the coast could take the deer.
Charleston is like that too. I am amazed at how thick-bodied the squirrels are there. They look like they'd dress out like groundhogs.
 
Where do you guys shoot the deer? I know the traditional double lung is what I'll probably go for. But I know about the high shoulder shot too.

What do you guys use?
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If it presents itself (which in my experience, it usually doesn't) I like double lung shots on deer. I'd rather not take shoulder shots as they tend to mess up too much meat. We don't usually care much about venison roasts, but we really like the venison burger we put together, and mule deer shoulder meat works great for that - if it isn't bloodshot.
That said, the last two deer (mule deer) I've shot were standing still, facing me, and only 80-90 yards away. I was seated and had a good rest, so I shot both of those deer right underneath their chins. The bullets exited the back of their necks and kicked up dust behind the deer as they "dropped in their tracks." There wasn't 2 ounces of meat wasted on either deer.
On the other hand, as I said, the opportunity for the perfect shot on a deer, at the perfect distance and under the perfect conditions doesn't usually present itself. So, we just do the best we can.
I don't exactly know how to explain this, but one thing I've learned over the years (and taught my wife and daughter) is to not "shoot AT a deer." Instead, I imagine a spot about the size of a baseball ON a deer, and shoot at that spot instead - if that makes sense.
 
I don't exactly know how to explain this, but one thing I've learned over the years (and taught my wife and daughter) is to not "shoot AT a deer." Instead, I imagine a spot about the size of a baseball ON a deer, and shoot at that spot instead - if that makes sense.
It makes perfect sense. Almost like, "aim small, miss small"
 
The past few years have made hunting, which was a high priority thing, take the back burner. Doves. Archery deer. Pheasant (I had a fantastic Springer Spaniel). Muzzle loader deer (and birds). 2011, spinal fusion and a resultant infection coupled with anaphylactic shock from allergic reaction to the antibiotics put the brakes on woods and field tromping. Got back into it around 2015 but had balance issues. Since 2019, two knees, A stent, aortic valve and a pacemaker added to my wife's knee and two foot/ankle surgeries has me about shut down.
Now, you. Look into public hunting areas around you. Join a sports men's club. Hit a DU banquet. My dad got me started in the 1950s and I started both my boys at ten or so. I still go to our deer camp (I own it). My boys and I put up a tower over our mega plot (5 scres). This year they insulated it and put windows so their 80 year old dad could be comfortable.
Learned most of what I know about hunting from reading, listening and doing.
Don't hold back. Get your license, see if there are put and take pheasant areas you can draw in on.
Now, though I hate to say it, I have as much fun watching my boys drop a deer as I ever did myself. If I come home empty handed, I still went out. Or tried to.
Good luck and when you get going, mentor some new folks.
I coach the local high school trap team for fun.
 
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