New .22 rifle daydreams

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20200621_175640.jpg A quick review of the t/c and simmons scope:
First is the scope..
Surprisingly clear.
Mushy adjustments.
Maybe a tad too shiny on the matte finish stainless rifle, but I asked for it.

the T/C performance center rifle never missed a beat except for two ammo related misfires. Good dents by the firing pin on the rims proved it was my cheap ammo, not the gun.
The Hogue stock was nice and grippy, but the tradeoff was that my dusty fingerprints were all over the stock.
I like the design of the stock. It is comfortable both offhand and on a rest. The butt has a resting place for your support hand if you wish.
The guys at my lgs set the scope on the perfect set of rings for a good cheek weld and alignment with the glass.
I already had a sling that I like on it.

I thought it shot pretty well with the cheap ammo I was using.
I had intended to just get the scope close and fine tune it with better ammo, but the stars aligned pretty quickly and I didn't want to stop and get different ammo.
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Armored farmer said:
The threads about tack-driving .22 rifles has me wanting a better rifle. .22 is my favorite gun to grab for some fun shooting, small game, barnlot and garden pests.
Here are some of my criteria:
*Ultra accurate capability.
*threaded barrel
*optic-ready...(no claw style .22 scope mounts)

I prefer a semi auto target style rifle, but I am leaving my action options open. A semi auto suits me better for informal plinking, and follow up shots.

I am leaning towards a ruger 10/22 target lite, however my lgs has a t/c target performance center rifle on the rack that seems to be a 10/22 clone. Does any know about the t/c performance center target model?

Can I expect uber-accuracy from a semi auto, or do I need to be looking at a bolt gun?
I'm a ruger guy, but I want to hear from savage owners, cz owners, and classic target gun owners.
Any thoughts on a sub $1k tack driver?
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Armored farmer said:
The threads about tack-driving .22 rifles has me wanting a better rifle. .22 is my favorite gun to grab for some fun shooting, small game, barnlot and garden pests.
Here are some of my criteria:
*Ultra accurate capability.
*threaded barrel
*optic-ready...(no claw style .22 scope mounts)

I prefer a semi auto target style rifle, but I am leaving my action options open. A semi auto suits me better for informal plinking, and follow up shots.

I am leaning towards a ruger 10/22 target lite, however my lgs has a t/c target performance center rifle on the rack that seems to be a 10/22 clone. Does any know about the t/c performance center target model?

Can I expect uber-accuracy from a semi auto, or do I need to be looking at a bolt gun?
I'm a ruger guy, but I want to hear from savage owners, cz owners, and classic target gun owners.
Any thoughts on a sub $1k tack driver?
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This was an Anschutz 54 sporter at 95 yds.
 
OP, great rifle, glad that you found it. It should be perfect for you and your son. Uh, one thing, ditch the Remington ammo, just say no to Remington .22 ammo! Remington (especially their bulk buckets) is dirty and has a high percentage of squibs, duds, FTF and the velocity is everywhere. A rifle that can shoot like that out of the box and with Remington .22 will probably shoot like a laser beam with good ammo.
 
Armored farmer said:
Here are some of my criteria:
*Ultra accurate capability.
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That's a BIG subjective matter.
A year or so ago I started a Rimfire Prove It thread after arguing in another thread got it closed down. Some shot, but most guns were not as accurate as people remembered them being. Others chose not to shoot because they don't compete or other reasons. It was a fun thread with varied results.

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/rimfire-prove-it.836805/
 
ford8nr said:
That's a BIG subjective matter.
A year or so ago I started a Rimfire Prove It thread after arguing in another thread got it closed down. Some shot, but most guns were not as accurate as people remembered them being. Others chose not to shoot because they don't compete or other reasons. It was a fun thread with varied results.

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/rimfire-prove-it.836805/
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I found out that my "ultra accurate" was a poor choice of words.
I had originally been daydreaming of a mannlicher style cz bolt action or perhaps even an Anschutz, or I was open to suggestions......however upon visiting my lgs, I found the t/c target rifle on the shelf. The temptation of a bird in the hand was too great.
I am not disappointed. I think that with a better quality ammo I can hold my head up after a little competition. 20200621_180447.jpg

The cheap ammo I used was just a carton of plinkers that I had in the shed. I was planning g to just get my shots on paper, then switch out . But I was too lazy to go get my stash of CCIs
 
I have three TACK DRIVING .22 RFs. A Gordon Eck built .22 LR Benchrest Rifle on a 2500X action, a Cooper 57M Benchrest rifle and a KIDD Ruger 1022.I have other 2022s - Browning Lever, Henry Golden Boy etc., but they can't compare in accuracy to the first three.

Bob
 
One thing that concerns me is that the target on the left was changing poi because I was adjusting the scope. The target on the right was shot with no adjustment to the scope or point of aim, yet the groups seem to move around a bit.?


I did get an hour or two of shooting enjoyment with virtually no recoil on my injured shoulder, no hour drive to and from a range, no ringing ears, and all for less tha $10 worth of ammo!
 
Armored farmer said:
The target on the right was shot with no adjustment to the scope or point of aim, yet the groups seem to move around a bit.?
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Cheap bulk ammo will do that. Despite what people claim in accuracy, I have NEVER seen anybody shooting competitively use cheap or bulk ammo. Cheap being relative, in local competitions I've used CCI Std ( see previous pic ) wish I would have shot at least SK+ at that match. I've used Mini Mags on timed steel shoots, but all you have to do is hit the plate.
 
I totally agree regarding ammo. This target is a test target at 200 yards as I shoot 200 Yard RF Bench Rest.

To get ammo, I get an available inventory list from the guy I buy all my match .22 RF Ammo from. I look at what Manufacturer / Grade and Lot numbers he has. Then I order a few boxes of each lot number that has plenty of back up stock in the grades I normally shot, almost always Eley and Lapua.

This test target shows groups with the various ammo. When I find the one my rifle likes to eat the best, I then order 5,000 or more rounds and have that for match ammo.

I have rifles that have preferred lesser Eley grades as in Not Tenex, or Lapua Midas + etc. , but never any of the run of the mill ammo where getting the same lot number is problematic.

Point of impact I can adjust, but group sizes are another thing, especially at 200 yards. If I can't see any paper between shots at 200 yards, I am very happy.

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Armored farmer said:
One thing that concerns me is that the target on the left was changing poi because I was adjusting the scope. The target on the right was shot with no adjustment to the scope or point of aim, yet the groups seem to move around a bit.?


I did get an hour or two of shooting enjoyment with virtually no recoil on my injured shoulder, no hour drive to and from a range, no ringing ears, and all for less tha $10 worth of ammo!
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I recently observed someone who isn't a target shooter trying to shoot their rifle off my benchrest. The shooter was very inconsistent with rifle position, not even touching the rear bag, or with the front swivel on top of the front bag. If they weren't trying to confirm my sighting-in shots, I might not have corrected them, but there's no point in firing off inconsistent or really terrible set-ups when you need to do a final sight-in.

Light rifles tend to move around on the bags, especially semi-autos. I tend to hold the forend down on the forend and place the rifle on the bags very consistently and hard enough to keep the rear bag in the same place and the rifle pulled back on the shoulder firmly. Unless someone has shot a lot of Rimfire Benchrest, it's hard to get comfortable and consistent in hold, but critical to accuracy from shot to shot and magazine to magazine.
 
As soon as I am home I will post a picture. The rifle was built by Gordon Eck on a 2500X action with a Bartlien Barrel. Jewel trigger set for 1.5 ounce. Nightforce 12x42 Benrest Scope. Gordon is the top RF Benchrest Builder in the Country.

Bob
 
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I belong to "The Original PA 1000 Yard Benchrest Club" In Williamsport (Actually Trout Run) PA. They also have a 200 yard Benchrest Range for Rim Fire. Some pretty spectacular rifles there during either shoots.

But getting the right ammo is one third or the solution, the other two being the gun and the shooter / weather conditions.

Bob
 
Growing up shooting squirrels and rabbits 20-30yds away (60 years ago) with a single shot 22 predisposed me to doubt the efficacy of 100yd+ shooting with any 22. We would not even attempt long shots because we didn't have a scope sighted rifle and we had a father who would kick our butts for wasting ammo on long shots. We were, after all, hunting food not bullseyes. Over the last few decades I've acquired several fine shooting .22s with crystal clear optics and 50+ yd squirrel shots are common. Yesterday I went on my first spring squirrel hunt. With my new Bergara BXR .22. I shot the eye out of the only shot I got. It seemed easy. My Bergara routinely shoots dime size groups at 50 yds. Still I've been reluctant to tackle long range. However, at the rifle range the other day I was eyeballing some golfball size clods in the berm just behind the 100 yd targets. Decided to shoot at them. Within a few shots I was hitting them....almost every time. And discovered it was fun. In the back of my slow moving brain I've been thinking about a Bergara B-14R. If I can get some other guns sold, long distance 22 shooting will be in my future. You can teach an old dog new tricks. I'll be 74 in August and having things to look forward to is fantastic.
 
Sniper66 said:
Growing up shooting squirrels and rabbits 20-30yds away (60 years ago) with a single shot 22 predisposed me to doubt the efficacy of 100yd+ shooting with any 22. We would not even attempt long shots because we didn't have a scope sighted rifle and we had a father who would kick our butts for wasting ammo on long shots. We were, after all, hunting food not bullseyes. Over the last few decades I've acquired several fine shooting .22s with crystal clear optics and 50+ yd squirrel shots are common. Yesterday I went on my first spring squirrel hunt. With my new Bergara BXR .22. I shot the eye out of the only shot I got. It seemed easy. My Bergara routinely shoots dime size groups at 50 yds. Still I've been reluctant to tackle long range. However, at the rifle range the other day I was eyeballing some golfball size clods in the berm just behind the 100 yd targets. Decided to shoot at them. Within a few shots I was hitting them....almost every time. And discovered it was fun. In the back of my slow moving brain I've been thinking about a Bergara B-14R. If I can get some other guns sold, long distance 22 shooting will be in my future. You can teach an old dog new tricks. I'll be 74 in August and having things to look forward to is fantastic.
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Low recoil
Low noise
Low cost....
I think I may get more involved also.
 
TEAM CRP RS.jpg I have enjoyed long range RF now for a while. With CCI Standard Velocity Ammo my ECK will hold maybe 10" at 200 yards. All the equipment makes a difference, keeping the barrel cool for consistency, the rest, especially the rear bag etc. I have a lot on my bench when I shoot.

Keep in mind that some of the match ammo is pretty pricey at least compared to the cost or reloading compared to regular RF.
 
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