New 50 BMG Shooter

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Hello all!

I just finally broke down and bought a new AR50 Armalite. Armalite made me a deal I could not refuse! As a licensed dealer with access to a public range. They have a range program. The cost for one {1} AR50 brand new to be used as a demo rifle and must be kept for a period of one yr before you can sell it is about $1,232.00 I could not pass up the deal on it.

I have been reloading ammunition for 30 yrs plus. I usually reload between 25,000 and 35,000 rds a yr. So reloading is not new to me. If anyone has a good loading data for the 50 BMG using IMR5010 military powder I would aprreciate any help. I was able to get some powder from a buddy who owed me a favor, a 150lb drum. I have a good supply of assorted sized pulldown bullets, API 4,000 APIT 300, AP 300, Tracer 200, Incendary 300, FMJ 1,100 ranging from 3 cents to 15 cents a piece. I was also able to come up with 1,200 primed military brass for 18 cents a piece. I am using hurtenbergger primers as well.

I was out yesterday breaking the BBL in. One shot then clean it for the first 10 rds then 3 shot groups for the next 50 shots with cleaning every 3 shots. 29 shots through it so far. The solvent I am using is Montana Extreme. I put up a target at 30 yds to just get it on paper. I was more interested in breaking the bbl in vs getting the scope adjusted. The rds were cutting the same bullet holes at 30 yds. The load was 210grns of 5010 with an API bullet. We have a steel gong, or had a steel gong at 100 yds. <grin> 1 1/2" thick X 12" circle plate on a chain. After about 8 hits with assorted ammo we broke the plate. Which I might add had been well hit on other days as well! <grin>

I was EXTREMLY pleased with the recoil or lack of it in the AR50. A person could shoot a 100 rds through it in a day and not feel the worse for wear! The muzzel blast, well like any 50, it is an event when you pull the trigger! The recoil was more than my M16 on semi but alot less then my .308 Rem. Police sniper. I mounted a 8X24X50MM with a lited rectical. I also opted for the heavier Prince bipod as well.

All suggestions are welcomed. I am an old shooter, but a new 50 cal shooter.
I have 2 press's set up for the 50 cal. I have a Lee that I bought with dies and shell holder and priming as well as a RCBS ammo Master I converted to a single stage for the 50 BMG, I am also using lee's factory crimp die as well. I am using the hornady powder measure for 50 cal. Case trimmer is lee's used with a drill. I made my loading blocks out of oak, drilled them and varnished them. My dillion vibrating tumbler is getting a real work out as well! <grin>

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That remains to be seen yet. I have not fired the straight incendary rds yet. The APIT's were reacting to the plate with good performance. The API rds (armor piercing incendary)I am extremly well pleased with.

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This may sound wierd but I use 215 grs. of powder for every bullet and powder type. It just works out that it's a good middle of the road charge, never seen any pressure signs. The best advice I can give you is to work up a load that best suits your rifle for each type of round.

Right now I'm using 215 grs. of pulldown 5010 behind a 750 gr. AMAX out of my AR-50. It has worked out so well that I can't see changing it at this time, it has worked so well that I used this load out to 1 mile. Nothing like seeing an AMAX splat on a target at 1 mile.:D

Most guys have found that 213-217 grs. of powder give the best results accuracy wise. Just don't expect to much from military surplus projo's that have been demilled and then resized. For the best accuracy you'll have to step up to match projo's.

Speaking of Prince accessories, I actually shoot with Darin Prince. I have one of the original bipod adaptors on my AR-50 with an M-60 bipod. He also sells a monopod and a thumbscrew set, I advise getting the bolt release thumbscrew from him. Makes cleaning the beast alot easier and you don't have to look around to find that :cuss: hex key. He also makes bullets for reloading, he has about 12K solids in stock right now. They were made in the profile of an M33 ball projo and results so far are very good. If you want to talk to him you can email him at [email protected] tell him that Shawn sent you. Tell him to drag his lazy butt out to the range this Sunday! ;)
 
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It sounds like you might have to change your handle to .50 from 5.56.:)
 
all i can say to you guys with the 50s is (in the voice of napolean dynamite) Lucky, sweet. I am so jelous, I saw a barrett at a gun show but the price tag on it was just a bit too much for me(ok alot to much for me). couldn't justifing spending that much on a gun at this point in time. its ok though, I get my .50 rocks off on the Gov's dime, full auto too:neener: those M2s are brutal on the ears though
 
Tell me about it, I was laying on the ground behind my M-60 on a live fire range when the M2 on our 113 let loose. I was slightly ahead of the M2 and didn't have my earplugs stuffed in all the way. Dropped the 60 and stuffed them in as far as I could, picked my 60 and kept on shooting. Although it was difficult as I was watching that fireball coming out of the end of the M2.:) :what: :D
 
Ahhhhhh the customizing begins! LOL I like the AR50 I purchassed, but there seemed to be a small design flaw. I talked to Armalite today about it and they are aware of it. The cheek piece when put into its lowest position engages the bolt and prevents the bolt from opening completly. Armalites solution.........put on an extra high set of rings so that you do not have to lower the cheek piece so far to be bble to get a good view in the scope.

I am from the old school of thought, the closer the scope is to the bbls the better. I went over to my buddies machine shop tonight. We pulled the edging strip off of the cheekpiece and then put the cheek piece in a CNC milling machine and took off about 3/16" of the cheek piece its complete length. The bolt now travels freely and can be removed when the cheek piece is in its lowest position. We beveled the edges, I put some anodizing on the cut. It now looks like it was manufactured that way. It fits my cheek fine. I cannot feel anything different and now I have the scope mounted as I wished to with a set of normal high rings that give the scope about a 1/4" clearence.

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Ahhhhhh the customizing begins! LOL I like the AR50 I purchassed, but there seemed to be a small design flaw. I talked to Armalite today about it and they are aware of it. The cheek piece when put into its lowest position engages the bolt and prevents the bolt from opening completly. Armalites solution.........put on an extra high set of rings so that you do not have to lower the cheek piece so far to be bble to get a good view in the scope.

I am from the old school of thought, the closer the scope is to the bbls the better. I went over to my buddies machine shop tonight. We pulled the edging strip off of the cheekpiece and then put the cheek piece in a CNC milling machine and took off about 3/16" of the cheek piece its complete length. The bolt now travels freely and can be removed when the cheek piece is in its lowest position. We beveled the edges, I put some anodizing on the cut. It now looks like it was manufactured that way. It fits my cheek fine. I cannot feel anything different and now I have the scope mounted as I wished to with a set of normal high rings that give the scope about a 1/4" clearence.

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NICE!!! can you post some pic's please????? :)
 
50's are neat! I have loaded and fired API and Bluetips with the same 225gr 5010 charge that I use with the M33 Ball. I only use 220gr with the Blacktip 700 AP and 175 with the Spotter-Tracers.

The pyrotechnic rounds are LOTS of fun on hard targets and everyone absolutely LOVES the Spotters! Kind of slow moving but very bright trace and big bang at impact with corresponding puff of smoke. Cool!

One thing to watch on loading the Blue-tips is the condition of the bases. A fair percentage of the several hundred that I got had corroded end plugs....some pretty severly greenish.

They are prone to muzzle flashing (premature detonations) and having a deteriorated base does not help things at all. I cull mine and only have loaded and fired nice, pristine bases so far and have not experienced a muzzle burst.

If the round clears the muzzle-break before it goes off, you just get a surprise and some startled onlookers. If it goes off IN the brake, things could be a bit worse with jacket material being redirected rearward toward onlookers. Just something to keep in mind with the Bluetips.

With Ball rounds over 225grs. of 5010, my AR-50 has produced sub-four inch groups at 600 meters....which is as far as I've been able to shoot it formally on paper.

If accuracy is important to you, you might consider checking your ammo for bullet runout and only shooting those rounds .010-.015 or so at distance. Mine sprays the more out of round ones a LOT and I think this is due to the generous chamber and throat dimensions on the rifle.

And, I too found the cheek rest to be uncomfortable in stock form. My solution was to remove it completely and substitute a machined piece of 7075 which allowed me to mount the scope in medium height rings within a papers width of the front of the mount and barrel.

Cheek weld to the metal is OK and the rifle seems to shoot well in this configuration.

Oh, one last thought.... Even though you can tolerate the recoil (or lack thereof) of 100 shots a day, you should consider the concussion effects on your body. These are cumulative and CAN cause damage if taken to excess. I can't help but think that Skip Talbot's early demise was partially due to muzzleblast effects.

But, there is no conclusive proof that I am aware of that links his 50 shooting to his death but I DO believe it is something for all 50 shooters to be aware of. Good shooting!
 
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A friend of mine sent me a 1000m target shot w/ his AR50. He managed 10 rounds, seven inch group. I don't recall his reload data tho, but he was shooting the AMAX 750's.
 
I am using the electronic scales and sorting them by weight

Rob,

So far the bullets are holding a size on the .510-512 most are right on the money at .510, I ran a total of 6,000 thru a sizer die though. My next project I am working on now is the API's and the FMJ's. I am sorting them by weights. Trying to sort them into 1 grn groups to start with. Then cherry pick them for exact weights to try for a group size. The military API rounds that I pulled were loaded with 225 grn of 5010. So you are right on the money with your load. I found a place on the web "BMGReload2" That was showing a load of 210 grns of 5010 with a API having a 1.78" group at 200 yds. Your load sounds even better yet. <smile> I have a couple of hundred rds loaded for breaking in and blasting. Once I find the sweet spot I am going to punch out about 1,200 rds. I have 1,200 brass primed and ready to go awaiting the sweet load. LOL talk about keeping me busy! Removing the crimp and polisihing case necks and tumbling! My tumbler has been running nonstop for 8 days now.

Anyone having load information using 5010 powder please feel free to toss in your 2 cents! Heck even put in a dimes worth if your up to it!


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Tagged for later. Have thought about reloading for my Barrett, but it seems like I only take it out 1 or 2 times a year lately.... :(
 
My son and I went out today and I was working on sighting in my AR50. I was using the follwing load.

API bullet, 210 grns of 5010 powder, hurtenberger primer.

basic 3 shot group sighting in at 100 yds, 34 degress temp. Snow on the ground.

1st target seeing where the group was. adjusted 20 clicks down and 12 clicks left. Looks like a good cookbook load.

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