sammyspizza
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUyOuwNCtNM&feature=player_embedded#!
What do you guys think? Seems kinda cool.
What do you guys think? Seems kinda cool.
New Arsenal Strike One Pistol...thoughts?
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Looks like a triumph of marketing over substance. From all appearances, it's a functional copy of every polymer-framed striker-fired pistol ever made.
Rather than make up ludicrous claims about how revolutionary it is, how about they come up with some actual way it's better than other autopistols on the market?
Rather than make up ludicrous claims about how revolutionary it is, how about they come up with some actual way it's better than other autopistols on the market?
HankB
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The marketing slogan should be "Me too! Me too!"
shep854
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Unimpressed. I would have like to have seen the pistol field-stripped, to see the locking system. Otherwise, I put the lack of flip down to good gun-handling.
Plus, there is nothing new about a "straight-line" locking system. The Beretta (Walther) locking block and rotating barrel systems are mature technology.
Plus, there is nothing new about a "straight-line" locking system. The Beretta (Walther) locking block and rotating barrel systems are mature technology.
allaroundhunter
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Sammy, generally posting the same thing on multiple sub-forums is frowned upon here at THR...
sammyspizza
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Hunter, I know I didn't mean to post it in general discussion at first and don't know how to delete it...
BTW, I think this gun is ugly, but like the low bore axis. They say it will be improved upon and they will create multiple variants before bringing it to the US
BTW, I think this gun is ugly, but like the low bore axis. They say it will be improved upon and they will create multiple variants before bringing it to the US
allaroundhunter
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I agree with this, but I also don't like the magazine release. I prefer a reversible mag release as opposed to completely ambidextrous one. It just seems like it will interfere with, or at least rub up against, the trigger finger with how much it protrudes from the frame.
I like the way the grip looks. The ambi release looks very secure, with a long press. I'm curious if it's a Beretta type rotating barrel or perhaps they figured out how to do it without adding an additional part/lug when field stripping. Aside from the terrible name and video, I'm actually more interested in this gun than any of the other recent plastic wonders. All comes back to the grip, really. Looks a lot like a toned down Glock grip, which I rather like.
But the name is rather unfortunate. Strike One sounds like the first failure in a 3 part series.
I guess it probably sounds better in countries that don't play baseball.
*The bore axis does look incredibly low. At first, I was focused on the backstrap. Looking at the trigger, it appears incredibly high on the frame. It has the appearance that part of the dustcover is relieved just to make room for it. Very cool. It looks the opposite of a P250!
**The non-tilting barrel lockup also opens up interesting aftermarket accessories, like the extended version they show in the beginning of the video. That would require a complete new blowback upper to do on a Browning tilt-mechanism pistol.
But the name is rather unfortunate. Strike One sounds like the first failure in a 3 part series.
I guess it probably sounds better in countries that don't play baseball.*The bore axis does look incredibly low. At first, I was focused on the backstrap. Looking at the trigger, it appears incredibly high on the frame. It has the appearance that part of the dustcover is relieved just to make room for it. Very cool. It looks the opposite of a P250!
**The non-tilting barrel lockup also opens up interesting aftermarket accessories, like the extended version they show in the beginning of the video. That would require a complete new blowback upper to do on a Browning tilt-mechanism pistol.
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Mikhail Weiss
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Glock + Caracal + Steyr
From Italy/Russia. More about it here...
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...al-firearms-strike-one-strizh-polymer-pistol/
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/03/22/arsenal-firearms-strike-one-pistol/
http://www.arsenalfirearms.com/products/strike-pistol-system/
http://frankwjames.blogspot.com/2012/03/pistols-both-new-and-knock-offs.html
http://www.all4shooters.com/it/Home...nal_Firearms_Strike_One_semiautomatic_pistol/
Field stripping leaves you with an extra piece.
1.slide
2.frame
3.captured recoil and guide-rod assembly
4.barrel
5.magazine
6.doodad
No. 6, above, appears to be a mobile locking device, meaning the barrel itself does not move. It doesn't tilt. It doesn't rotate.
I agree that the name “Strike One” sounds like a marketing failure, here in the land of baseball.
From Italy/Russia. More about it here...
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/...al-firearms-strike-one-strizh-polymer-pistol/
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/03/22/arsenal-firearms-strike-one-pistol/
http://www.arsenalfirearms.com/products/strike-pistol-system/
http://frankwjames.blogspot.com/2012/03/pistols-both-new-and-knock-offs.html
http://www.all4shooters.com/it/Home...nal_Firearms_Strike_One_semiautomatic_pistol/
Field stripping leaves you with an extra piece.
1.slide
2.frame
3.captured recoil and guide-rod assembly
4.barrel
5.magazine
6.doodad
No. 6, above, appears to be a mobile locking device, meaning the barrel itself does not move. It doesn't tilt. It doesn't rotate.
I agree that the name “Strike One” sounds like a marketing failure, here in the land of baseball.
ApacheCoTodd
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Cool - what I take from the over produced clip is:
It has magazines which can be dropped... wait for it.... ambidextrously.
Huggy Bear can mount a scope, bipod and whompin' long barrel.
It comes in one common and three other calibers.
A fella can shoot it really, really fast as long as we're not seeing the effect of rapid fire accuracy at the same time.
Did I mention that I noted that the magazines slide dramatically outa it?
Now, I may some day shoot it and say "oh what other wonders await me?" but as far as the hype relative to the demo or specs... a yawn seems to be stifling my typing just now.
It has magazines which can be dropped... wait for it.... ambidextrously.
Huggy Bear can mount a scope, bipod and whompin' long barrel.
It comes in one common and three other calibers.
A fella can shoot it really, really fast as long as we're not seeing the effect of rapid fire accuracy at the same time.
Did I mention that I noted that the magazines slide dramatically outa it?
Now, I may some day shoot it and say "oh what other wonders await me?" but as far as the hype relative to the demo or specs... a yawn seems to be stifling my typing just now.
The whomping long barrel is cool. It seems like it just might be legal to use a pistol stock on it, as long as you put a 16 inch barrel in, first? With an alum fore stock and a red dot, that could be just the ticket for fun. Anyone know the legalities, for sure?
So the lug drops, and the barrel moves straight back? Wow, that's even cooler. I can't wait to see this baby. Come to think of it, a 16" barrel would probably be so heavy the gun wouldn't cycle. Well, unless you put in some Clark Custom reloads. Even cooler!
So the lug drops, and the barrel moves straight back? Wow, that's even cooler. I can't wait to see this baby. Come to think of it, a 16" barrel would probably be so heavy the gun wouldn't cycle. Well, unless you put in some Clark Custom reloads. Even cooler!
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ExMachina
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The barrel's not fixed.
It just doesn't tilt.
It reciprocates back and forth.
It just doesn't tilt.
It reciprocates back and forth.
smalls
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A Glock and an M&P had a baby and named it Tacticool.
Cool.
Cool.
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Wasn't sure if I was watching a gun ad or Jurassic Park or something
Both No. 6 and the cross pin that lowers it look rather flimsy.
epijunkie67
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I'm unimpressed. The first minute of the clip I get to listen to dramatic music and watch the guy put on safety gear. A few over dramatic swing views of the weapon exterior and then a couple of minutes of somebody rapid firing the gun. I could replace the gun in the video with any modern firearm from a S&W to a 1911 and gotten the same thing.
I learned nothing about what makes this gun a better option than anything else going except for the brief splash screen with a few overhyped claims.
It has been my experience that when you have something impressive to show people you show it to them and let them be impressed. When what you have to show ISN'T impressive on it's own you have to resort to dramatic music and silly video techniques.
This video falls into the second category.
I learned nothing about what makes this gun a better option than anything else going except for the brief splash screen with a few overhyped claims.
It has been my experience that when you have something impressive to show people you show it to them and let them be impressed. When what you have to show ISN'T impressive on it's own you have to resort to dramatic music and silly video techniques.
This video falls into the second category.
I was annoyed by the music and the "Shoota ready?" But if you ignore all that, you get a good 360 view of the pistol, the ergos, and the controls. You learn the name of the pistol and when it might be available. You also get a good view of how the gun looks while shooting. I noticed that the guy used a high thumb hold, and tip of his thumb was higher than the sights. I use the exact same grip. Kewl. I also noticed he used his left hand to release the slide stop. It gives me a good idea of how the controls are placed and what the gun might feel like in the hand. You can see there's no trigger dongle. You can see a wide smooth, contoured trigger, which looks good. What else do you want? A parts diagram? A scratch n sniff to see what the gun smells like? We won't know how the pistol shoots until it hits the market.
Am I impressed? No. I'm intrigued and interested.
Am I impressed? No. I'm intrigued and interested.
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ApacheCoTodd
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What else do I want? Well... I want them to demonstrate if not explain this...
""The Strike One semiautomatic pistol comes to the world scene in 2012 as a completely new and revolutionary gun. The Strike One semiautomatic pistol comes as the fastest, most controllable, most accurate and hard hitting service pistol available today on the world market."""
Completely new? What am I seeing that's completely new?
Revolutionary? At best evolutionary and not much.
Fastest? I can fire any of my autos that quickly if effectiveness is not proven.
Most controllable? See above.
Most accurate? Didn't see that.
(Most) hard hitting? Subjective much?
""The Strike One semiautomatic pistol comes to the world scene in 2012 as a completely new and revolutionary gun. The Strike One semiautomatic pistol comes as the fastest, most controllable, most accurate and hard hitting service pistol available today on the world market."""
Completely new? What am I seeing that's completely new?
Revolutionary? At best evolutionary and not much.
Fastest? I can fire any of my autos that quickly if effectiveness is not proven.
Most controllable? See above.
Most accurate? Didn't see that.
(Most) hard hitting? Subjective much?
fatcat4620
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Looks like a toy
Well, the gun isn't even out, yet. This is more of an advert. Yes, they made some bold statements. Think of it like the opening argument of a trial. We'll have to wait and see when it comes out. But if my lawyer came out and said "My client might be innocent. Afterall, I'm not sure I believe him, and the facts look bad." Then I think I'd fire him, even if I was guilty. Advertising, same thing, lol. They don't need to prove anything, just get your hopes up.
New locking system. At least not seen in a pistol before. Also there's an allusion to a "single trigger safety system." We'll see.
How are you going to prove effectiveness? Everyone shoots differently and might do better with one gun or another. Heck, some people like GLOCKS! I'm not aware of an exact standard for measuring height of the bore axis, but it certainly looks like they have achieved a remarkably low one, here. So there's at least some basis for this claim. And unlike every other gun that advertises low bore axis, it looks like this gun has more than wishful thinking to back this up. Heck, do you remember how FN's marketing department claimed the FNX has a lower bore axis than the FNP??? "Low bore axis" has become the "free range/organic/low fat" label of the gun world. Most of the time, it's meaningless.
Again, what do ya want in an advert?
"This gun is mostly mediocre. It presents a lateral move from current designs. Maybe even a step backwards. But it's still pretty decent, if you're not picky. It will probably be just as good as your current gun, but no better, but won't you please spend the money, anyway? Coming soon to a gun store near you!"
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thefamcnaj
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Its not a real attractive looking poly. It didn't seem overly accurate, I don't know if it was the gun or the shooter. The guy was dressed like a world champion shooter, so it had to be the gun right?
The company is trying pretty hard, I'll give them that. They made the double barrel 1911, so they are thinking outside of the box.
Is this the same Arsenal thats in Las Vegas, that makes the rifles(ak's)
The company is trying pretty hard, I'll give them that. They made the double barrel 1911, so they are thinking outside of the box.
Is this the same Arsenal thats in Las Vegas, that makes the rifles(ak's)
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