New Beretta APX

[m9meatball]

Full sized striker fired. They will submit this to the new US pistol trials. I like Beretta, but I'm not sure about the looks of this gun. As long as it works that's all that matters I guess...


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[malakili]

Initial reaction from small pic and lack of detailed specs: I like it. Seems simple and snag-free like a Glock clone ought to be, with apparently no extra BS. It looks well-balanced and seems to have a very low bore axis. Visually it's pretty attractive.

The slide serrations are unique, and seem well thought out. Looks like you can pretty much grab the slide anywhere along its length without thinking about it and rack it hard.

Assuming it's priced good, it should be a contender in civilian/LE markets.

 

[Quiet]

Seems like it's Beretta's version of the Arsenal Firearms Strike One.

 

[Fiv3r]

I don't really like the look of it so much

It's got that Storm melty look, but doesn't have the elegant lines I have seen in other Beretta guns. Even the Nano and Pico have a certain amount of utility with class lines about them.

That said, I might be in the market for one if it shoots well. I like Beretta a lot.

 

[mgmorden]

It does look a tad odd to my eyes too. The grip/frame look ok but the slide atop it just looks off.

Not terrible though. Just a little off. Makes sense as a product line though. Striker fired guns have become the defacto standard in handguns these days. Beretta was the last major manufacturer that I can think of that was holding out on offering at least one of them.

Bore axis looks incredibly high though. That's not necessarily a deal breaker, but it's definitely a mark against it for the pros/cons.

 

[Fishbed77]

It was only a matter of time.

My first glance reactions:

It looks like Beretta has checked all the boxes for what people think they need in a modern full-size service pistol.

We'll have to wait to see if the serrations work as advertised. I can see a possible benefit when wearing gloves - not so sure about bare sweaty hands.

Here is a link with a few more photos:

http://www.janes.com/article/49203/idex-2015-beretta-takes-the-wraps-of-its-striker-fired-apx


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[Zaydok Allen]

Seems a bit off for me too. Think I'll pass and go for the VP9 when the time comes.

 

[mgmorden]

Here is a link with a few more photos:

http://www.janes.com/article/49203/idex-2015-beretta-takes-the-wraps-of-its-striker-fired-apx

Now see in that picture the bore axis doesn't look bad - and the pistol looks better. Maybe the the original article just had a bad angle.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

Ah, that looks a little better. I wonder why they didn't go with the rotating barrel system the PX4 uses.

 

[RustyShackelford]

Yuck....

My first look at this new Beretta USA gun is yuck.

It looks like another unrefined, poorly designed semi auto pistol to appeal to those wanting a low end pistol.
It's like a HK VP9, Walther CCP, Ruger SR9E, etc.
I owned a NIB Beretta PX4 Storm C(constant action) 9mm that was great!
I'm not fond of the square or flat type triggerguards.
It seems Beretta wants to engineer this style for cold weather gloves or 1913 add ons like white-lights/lasers.
It's strange too that the new model is designed for the 9x21mm but not the .45acp or .357sig calibers.

The US market and gun industry will see if this new pistol line will fly but I'm not impressed.
It's a good bet Glock, S&W & FN America will be glad Beretta USA has this model & not a re-designed PX4 Storm.

 

[bannockburn]

It looks like a Glock 17 got together with an HK VP9 and this was their offspring.

 

[Panzerschwein]

Looks pretty nice, I actually sort of like the slide serrations.

At the end of the day though, it's just another insipid plastic wonder pistol, but hopefully ir performs well in the field.

 

[tarosean]

Ill give it a shot.

Seems that since the Army didnt like the A3, they bust out with a gun just like the competition, guess they like that DOD money after all...

 

[mgmorden]

It's strange too that the new model is designed for the 9x21mm but not the .45acp or .357sig calibers.

9x21 IMI is very popular in some European countries where they can't own guns chambered in military cartridges. It's also basically a 9mm Luger barrel with a different chamber reamer applied and different hood stamp - not exactly difficult for them to make.

.357 SIG is of dubious popularity (though I actually think its kind of neat). Easy to introduce later if they want to though - almost all guns chambered in .40S&W can be produced as a .357 SIG version with a different barrel.

.45 ACP is pretty obvious. The round is longer than .40S&W or 9mm so to make a gun that is available for all 3 you're either making it really long for the 9mm/.40 uses, or you have to engineer and build a different from for the .45 ACP (this is why Glock came out with .45 GAP - though it didn't take off, it puts a .45 cal round into the same frame size as 9mm).

Overall the available calibers make sense when you look at it from an international perspective.

 

[C0untZer0]

I'm surprised no one has said:

"When will they make it a single-stack the size of the Glock 42 but chambered in 9mm Luger?"

"When will they make it a single-stack the size of the Glock 42 but chambered in 380 ACP?"

 

[tarosean]

"When will they make it a single-stack the size of the Glock 42 but chambered in 9mm Luger?"

"When will they make it a single-stack the size of the Glock 42 but chambered in 380 ACP?"

probably because Beretta already makes em in smaller versions. i.e. Nano and Pico

 

[MagnumDweeb]

Looks like a cross between a Glock and Canik. Not impressed.

 

[AustinTX]

It's grown on me some since I saw it yesterday. Striker-fired poly pistols are pretty unattractive in general to me, though. It's a Beretta, so it should be well-made. The slide serrations are certainly unorthodox, but they look great for gloved hands.

I wonder if Beretta can beat the Gen5 Glock to the stores.

Ah, that looks a little better. I wonder why they didn't go with the rotating barrel system the PX4 uses.

Because too many people irrationally freak out about rotating-barrel actions, I would imagine.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

That's a real shame. The cougar I had never malfunctioned and was highly accurate. The rotating barrel is a very underutilized design, though I don't really know that it gains you anything.

 

[Nom de Forum]

That's a real shame. The cougar I had never malfunctioned and was highly accurate. The rotating barrel is a very underutilized design, though I don't really know that it gains you anything.

The new Beretta certainly looks like it merits consideration by all potential users. I think it is a fairly good looking pistol.

One thing to be gained by a rotating barrel is that it probably makes it easier to lower the bore axis. Use of a suppressor may also be easier since the can only has to rotate instead of being lifted by tilting barrel unlocking.

 

[Sergei Mosin]

I wonder if it will take the same magazines as the 92/96 series guns. That might give them a leg up in the MHS competition. Aesthetically, it's not the most attractive gun, especially coming from the company that gave us the flowing lines of the 92, but it's hard to make plastic pretty.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

The new Beretta certainly looks like it merits consideration by all potential users. I think it is a fairly good looking pistol.

One thing to be gained by a rotating barrel is that it probably makes it easier to lower the bore axis. Use of a suppressor may also be easier since the can only has to rotate instead of being lifted by tilting barrel unlocking.

That is a good point on the can and bore axis. I hadn't thought of that.

I wonder if it will take the same magazines as the 92/96 series guns. That might give them a leg up in the MHS competition. Aesthetically, it's not the most attractive gun, especially coming from the company that gave us the flowing lines of the 92, but it's hard to make plastic pretty.

I'm pretty sure it takes a new magazine design. The folks over at the Beretta forum have been commiserating about that, and rightly so.

 

[2wheels]

That's a real shame. The cougar I had never malfunctioned and was highly accurate. The rotating barrel is a very underutilized design, though I don't really know that it gains you anything.

My guess is Beretta wanted cheap, simple, and reliable in this new gun. That's very easy to achieve with a tilt locking barrel. While a rotating barrel system is a little more expensive and complex.

Who knows, this may be a signal that Beretta is done being different and may not produce any new handguns with rotating barrels or locking blocks. I liked my Cougar (other than where Beretta insists on putting their decocker), but I never did see a real practical advantage to the rotating barrel.

 

[Sergei Mosin]

I'm pretty sure it takes a new magazine design. The folks over at the Beretta forum have been commiserating about that, and rightly so.

Unfortunate if true. Not a deal breaker, as I'm not wedded to a single platform, but still. Maybe they figure they'll sell more magazines that way.

 

[AustinTX]

I'm pretty sure it takes a new magazine design. The folks over at the Beretta forum have been commiserating about that, and rightly so.

Some people have suggested that the 92 magazine presents rounds from a feed angle that would not be optimal for a tilt-barrel design. I'm not a gunsmith, so I can't say anything about whether or not that's true, but it seems plausible.