New Beretta APX

[Fishbed77]

Some people have suggested that the 92 magazine presents rounds from a feed angle that would not be optimal for a tilt-barrel design. I'm not a gunsmith, so I can't say anything about whether or not that's true, but it seems plausible.

The tilt-barrel/short recoil Walther PPQ and P99 use a magazine that is practically identical to that of the Beretta 92FS (aside from the location of the mag catch hole and the baseplate details), and they feed just fine.

In fact, a Beretta 92 mag functions flawlessly in a P99 if you drill a new mag catch hole in it.

Beretta could have easily made 92 mags work with this new pistol if they wanted to. We all know why they didn't.

 

[tarosean]

Beretta could have easily made 92 mags work with this new pistol if they wanted to. We all know why they didn't.

since MecGar makes their mags... Not real sure what your driving at?

 

[AustinTX]

The tilt-barrel/short recoil Walther PPQ and P99 use a magazine that is practically identical to that of the Beretta 92FS (aside from the location of the mag catch hole and the baseplate details), and they feed just fine.

In fact, a Beretta 92 mag functions flawlessly in a P99 if you drill a new mag catch hole in it.

Beretta could have easily made 92 mags work with this new pistol if they wanted to. We all know why they didn't.

Well, so much for that theory.

I really can't figure out a rational reason why they wouldn't do it, honestly. It could be a not insignificant advantage in the pistol trials if Beretta could point to the hundreds of thousands of magazines that the military wouldn't have to buy if they chose the APX.

since MecGar makes their mags... Not real sure what your driving at?

Close. Mec-gar used to make mags for Beretta. Then Beretta bought MDS, another excellent magazine manufacturer.

 

[AustinTX]

I lied. I can think of one rational reason that probably had something to do with it. I think one reason -- and it gives me just another reason to dislike the .40 S&W -- is that they weren't content with having the .40 version of the APX only hold 12 rounds like the 96A1.

Even then, it's still arguably a questionable decision. It wouldn't be difficult or expensive to alter the internal dimensions of the 9mm APX's grip frame to snugly accept the slightly thinner 92A1 mags while developing the new 15-round mag for the .40 version. Plentiful, inexpensive mags would make the APX more attractive to the civilian market, and it could only be a positive for Beretta in the pistol trials if they were able to point to the hundreds of thousands of magazines the military wouldn't have to buy if it selected the APX.

And another possible reason is that Beretta just wants to make more money off of a new magazine design. That hypothetical reason strikes me as such penny-wise, pound-foolish thinking, however, that I can't call it rational.

 

[JeeperCreeper]

Seems like it's Beretta's version of the Arsenal Firearms Strike One.

I thought the same thing at first... also a fun coincidence that the imported Arsenal is made in Italy and not Russia. Let the consipracy theories begin!!!

Also, people seem upset it doesn't have a rotating barrel. Maybe Beretta has plans to reveal a striker-fired PX4 variant kinda like the SIG 320 and 250. I dunno, just a guess on my part.

 

[GLOOB]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I'm talking about the slide serrations. It looks like a high thumb hold might cause malfunctions.

Most folks think a Glock is ugly, but that isn't usually considered a selling point. It isn't a contest, Beretta. But if it was, you win.

 

[alexander45]

The grip looks rather thin for the size of the overall gun should be intressting

 

[Fiv3r]

I still hate the slide serrations. I dunno. Maybe I don't use them "correctly", but I have never had a gun where I felt that I needed MORE slide serrations to work the action or press check. I much prefer the basic cuts found on something like the FNH pistols (or, ya know, the 92 series Beretta). While they work, I'm not really a fan of the looks of the fish scale M&P line either.

The ones on the new Beretta just don't do it for me aesthetically. That said, if it shoots like a 92fs and is built like a typical Beretta brick outhouse, I can look past them. I don't think I will be trading in my 92 for one of these any time soon, though.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

The grip looks rather thin for the size of the overall gun should be intressting

Honestly that's the biggest reason I think I'll go with a VP9. My hands are fair sized and I need a big grip, or at least the ability to add girth to the grip. The interchangeable back strap alone usually doesn't get me the grip I want.

The Grip on my 92 Wilson Brig Tac is just big enough to suite me and get me the trigger reach I prefer.

 

[.455_Hunter]

Yawn...

Yet another poly/stiker in a sea of poly/strikers.

Looks like even Beretta has been hoodwinked into the bladed trigger safety fraud. Why do people think this feature accomplishes ANYTHING?

I would take my old M9 in a heartbeat over this thing.

 

[Glockwheeler]

The bladed trigger safety feature typically assists in the prevention of rearward movement of the trigger/trigger bar. This helps prevent the possibility of an accidental/negligent discharge should the pistol be dropped. I don't really see how it is a "fraud" design?

 

[.455_Hunter]

Because many people consider it to be an effective substitute for an actual safety. It does nothing to prevent the gun from discharging if the trigger is inadvertently actuated by a jacket cinch, holster strap, pen, chap stick, or ???

And no, the typical striker trigger is not same as a full stroke DA trigger on a revolver or traditional DA/SA semiauto in terms of required initiation effort. For a striker, the Walther P99AS got it right, with it's full weight and distance DA stroke available after pressing the decocking button.

Military guns need real manual safeties. The "keep your booger hook off of the bang switch" mentality is insufficient in real field operations, and asking to get soldiers killed.

 

[alexander45]

Honestly that's the biggest reason I think I'll go with a VP9. My hands are fair sized and I need a big grip, or at least the ability to add girth to the grip. The interchangeable back strap alone usually doesn't get me the grip I want.

The Grip on my 92 Wilson Brig Tac is just big enough to suite me and get me the trigger reach I prefer.

Yup but alot of folk have smaller hands than you and me and right now the best double out there for them tends to be the m&p line this adds another option for them which is always great. Its also part of the reason the military is looking for a new side arm Is folk with small hands.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

Sure thing. The more options the better.

 

[19-3Ben]

I wonder how those slide serrations will interact with a holster. Tough to tell just how deep they are from the pic, but spaced as far apart as they are, it gives lots of room for the holster material to squeeze into the valleys between the rises in serration (if that makes any sense at all.)

 

[9 fingers]

Ugly!
9 fingers

 

[alexander45]

I wonder how those slide serrations will interact with a holster. Tough to tell just how deep they are from the pic, but spaced as far apart as they are, it gives lots of room for the holster material to squeeze into the valleys between the rises in serration (if that makes any sense at all.)

Probably about the same as ejection port on any other gun and most holsters sold are of the Blackhawk serpa type so not much worry

 

[Skribs]

Yet another gun mfg that thinks just making the magazine release reversible will make it ambidextrous.

 

[tarosean]

Yet another gun mfg that thinks just making the magazine release reversible will make it ambidextrous.

appears to have a ambi slide release too.

 

[TimboKhan]

Purely from the aesthetic point of view, I think it looks cool. I personally think it looks better than the storm, which I find to be an ugly gun.

 

[Shipwreck]

I just saw this on the signature line:

For a victim of violent crime to call for gun control is like a victim of shipwreck calling for the elimination of life boats." - Vern Humphrey

Who am I victimizing?

 

[Skribs]

The only ambi slide releases I like are those on HK and Walther pistols. Most ambi slide releases are sluggish for right handers and spongier than that guy who lives in a pineapple under the sea for lefties. The Walther HK ones are robust enough and big enough that they are not a problem.

I'm actually thinking about switching to Walther and getting a PPQ, but there are other things I want, too...

I wish I could just design and build my own and start a company. I feel if a lefty was designing the firearms they could more easily be made truly ambidextrous instead of this marketing compromise we get from 95% of the manufacturers. I've even put a lot of thought into how I would design and release, what features I would want, and even what my slogan would be. Unfortunately I don't have the expertise, capital, or business savvy so this is all just wishful thinking.

Compared to other firearms, this looks interesting. I'm not sure what it offers over similar options, though.

 

[Glockwheeler]

The more I look at this pistol, the more I want one. Great, now I want a Sig P-320 and this one as well.

 

[Fishbed77]

The bladed trigger safety feature typically assists in the prevention of rearward movement of the trigger/trigger bar. This helps prevent the possibility of an accidental/negligent discharge should the pistol be dropped. I don't really see how it is a "fraud" design?

It's certainly not a "fraud" design, but there have been other designs that do it better.

A good example is the physical trigger of the Walther P99AS (not its excellent DA/SA striker-fired action, but the actual trigger). Instead of the finger-pinching and obtrusive blade, it has a similar piece that comprises the whole smooth face of the trigger, which moves over the (hidden) internal trigger. It's a much more elegant design than the Glock design, and serves the same purpose.

 

[Phaedrus/69]

It looks like a cross between an HK VP9 and new Arsenal Strike One, to be sure. Hard to know how it will run and what the trigger will be like but I'm looking forward to fondling one when they actually appear in stores.